Until recently, all my PHPUG emails were piped into a folder to keep them out 
of the way until I wanted to flick through them.

Basically I ended up with with every post to and from PHPUG back to 2007 or so. 
I remember a huge chunk of these emails were marked [OT]. This fact has been 
the topic for a few jokes as the OTs seem to generate more member contributions 
than PHP centric stuff (becuse PHP centric questions are usually sorted so 
rapidly, one would think we're paid to be here).

If it wasn't for OT discussions, I doubt I would view the group as active and 
flexable as I do, and it's probably something I take for granted in hindsight. 
I didn't really think twice about starting that thread based on years of 
experience. And my role is a much different animal to what it was when I first 
started asking for help with sessions, escaping input and the utter bloody 
beauty of register_globals and the cool things it does with osCommerce. OT is 
all of a sudden important, as I know many of the people here possess technical 
skills well outside PHP itself. 

No doubt if OT weren't here, it would still be a solid place to get a quick 
answer to PHP related questions. But it wouldn't be anywhere near as active, 
expansive, and interesting.

Paul Henry is a douche.

A
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Harvey Kane 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 3:27 PM
  Subject: Re: [phpug] {OT} how bad is OT


  Yup I agree.

  I participated on the Irish PHP list for a while last year, and for a country 
with a very similar population to NZ there wasn't even remotely the same amount 
of activity or useful discussion on the PHP list as this one. Not even close. 

  I think it would be fair to say I have saved thousands of dollars through the 
use of this list - being that I can get a quick answer to a problem that isn't 
so easily found in other places (eg Google). The off topic discussions are 
often of as much value to me personally as the on topic stuff.

  Harvey.



  On 6/10/2010 3:12 p.m., Jochen Daum wrote: 
    I wanted to mention somethingin defense of Aaronin the other post. The 
reason that we have the amount of OT posts here that we have is that this 
listis comparatively helpful and large for our size of population. I think this 
is something we can be proud of rather than reject. Most of the OT posts are 
also database or (should be in web) software related, so I think OT could bein 
the eye of the beholder.

    There is no such resource for .net in this country and I know from 
participating in one of 2 (you wonder why) german lists that some people greet 
every question with "read the FAQ".

    I enjoy reading most OT posts, flamewars excluded.   

    Kind Regards,
    Jochen

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