This is my favorite thread theme to bark at.

That is, people brainstorming ideas on how to make the world a better place 
without actually doing anything. None of this is new and this email is not 
meant for anyone in particular.

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1. Signature Clusterfuck

The signature workflow is the way it is for a reason. If you want to learn the 
reason, you can ask or you can go back to the discussions about it from the 
first few months of this list. A few months ago I spent a few days coming up 
with this tool which is both a tutorial and debugger:

http://www.hueniverse.com/hueniverse/2008/10/beginners-gui-1.html

It is linked to from:

http://oauth.net/documentation/getting-started

Which is a pretty obvious place to look for help if you are getting started 
with OAuth. No need to read the whole spec to get this figured out.

2. Confusing Specification

Yes, the specification isn't great (editorially speaking). It has many problems 
and is hard to read. This is why I wrote a whole new one:

http://oauth.googlecode.com/svn/spec/core/unofficial/1.0ec/drafts/1/spec.html

Which I think tells a much better story with more examples and steps. I 
received very little feedback on that which is very disappointing. Specs only 
get better with feedback, and if you want to help but don't want to go and 
write guides or libraries, how about read the spec and offer suggestions on 
what can be better and what sections didn't work for you.

3. Libraries are Shit

Some are. How about write a new one or fix an existing one? How about just ask 
the developer for help? People always bring up the idea of a uniform interface 
across libraries which is a great idea, but no one actually put any effort into 
this.

4. But it doesn't do X

Yes, OAuth doesn't cover everything you might need or want. But all you have to 
do is just propose it, add it, spec it, code it. Core 1.0 is a framework. You 
need more? Write an extension and propose it on the list. Get some people 
interested in it. Get code running. Show that it is actually useful beyond your 
own need. I have yet to turn down requests for editorial or marketing help from 
anyone. Don't ask for a new feature, ask for people to give you feedback on how 
you intend to address it!

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I know what I'm doing to make OAuth better and easier to use.

What are you?

EHL



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