Ah, I am starting to getting your point.

I was assuming that the text was just dealing with this particular flow,
possibly a separate standalone document as David R. suggested.
On the other hand, you are starting to think of it as a generic "include"
mechanism, are you?

I agree that would be actually quite useful.

If the idea gets support in the community I am all for it.

=nat

On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Manger, James H <
[email protected]> wrote:

> Nat,
>
> >>> All the request parameters MUST be provided through request file.
> >>"All" doesn't make much sense if params can still appear in the URI, and
> override the file.
>
> > What about this:
> >
> > Request parameters SHOULD be provided through request file.
>
> If it is perfectly legitimate to include some params in the user-url, and
> those override the same params in the file, then there is no point requiring
> the overridden params to be present in the file with a MUST or even a
> SHOULD. What about saying:
> "A shorter user-uri is more likely to avoid mobile browser URI length
> limits, and to reduce bandwidth and latency for mobile traffic.
> Consequently, as many parameters as practical should be provided through the
> request file, instead of directly in the user-uri."
>
>
>
> >>> The "request_url" MUST be provided in the URL.
> >> This isn't really a "MUST", its just indicates if you are using this
> feature (this "flow").
>
> > It is a MUST. Without it, you just cannot obtain other required
> parameters.
>
> Without it you are using "normal" OAuth2 (all the params in the user-uri),
> which is fine and shouldn't violate a MUST.
> If this mechanism is defined in a separate spec then I guess it could be a
> MUST for that spec. Even in that case, though, servers that support
> request_url shouldn't reject interactions with all the params directly in
> the user-uri.
>
>
>
> >> Would be good to say "A request_url param MUST NOT be provided in a
> request file". Probably good to add "A request file MUST be rejected if it
> includes a request_url param".
>
> > request_url param MAY be provided in a request file. It is just its
> identifier. It probably is best to be there.
>
> It sounds like you are assuming the request_url in the file is the same as
> the request_url in user-uri that led to the file. The server treats
> request_url in user-uri as a trigger to include more params, but the server
> treats request_url in the file as merely a name for the file (which it
> ignores because there is nothing for the server to do with such a name).
>
> This is inconsistent.
>
> request_url should be an include mechanism, regardless of where it appears.
> If we only want to support an include mechanism in user-uri, and not
> supported nested includes, then we should explicitly say request_url MUST
> NOT appear in a file.
>
> --
> James Manger
>



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