Authenticating a piece of software isn't how I view the utility of the client 
id and secret.  It is extremely useful for site to site authentication where a 
trust relationship CAN be maintained.  We really don't want to lose that 
functionality.



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From: "Manger, James H" <[email protected]>
To: oauth <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Revised Section 3

I'm certainly in favour of excluding client auth from OAuth. Dropping section 3 
and just having a paragraph like the following would be preferable (with no 
capitalized keywords):

  In many cases an authorization server will require client
  authentication for requests to a token endpoint.
  Consequently, a client app that has credentials appropriate
  for that server should proactively use them for such requests.
  The actual mechanism for client authentication, and any
  provisioning of the associated credentials, is outside
  the scope of OAuth 2.


I am not a fan of the client_id/client_secret parameters, but was resigned to 
their inclusion given existing deployments. Given those parameters are 
mentioned, OAuth2 should say:

  Various early deployments of the OAuth 2.0 concepts authenticated
  clients to the token endpoint using client_id and client_secret
  parameters in the request (alongside the grant_type parameter
  for instance). A server that accepts client_id/client_secret
  parameters MUST also accept the same credentials presented using the
  HTTP BASIC scheme instead (ie in an "Authorization: BASIC ..." request
  header).


The last paragraph of Thomas's "3.2 Shared Secret Credentials" is crazy 
(typo?). A server supporting some strong authentication mechanism must not be 
mandated to also support weaker BASIC and client_id/client_secret mechanisms -- 
and certainly not with the same secret!

"3.3 Client Assertion Credentials". OAuth2 currently supports the concept of a 
client app swapping an assertion for an access token. Do people want the 
additional functionality of using assertions for generic client authentication? 
I assumed servers would prefer that clients swap an assertion for a token at 
one specific endpoint, then use the token for generic client auth in other 
requests -- in which case section 3.3 "Client Assertion Credentials" can be 
dropped.

--
James Manger

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