On 3/16/16 12:20 PM, Phil Hunt (IDM) wrote:
George

Very good question...

I considered that the RS metadata discovery could be fake.
Same way that the 'iss' claim must "match" the url used to retrieve the metadata would apply to the 'rsid' claim -- I think that should suffice to ensuring the 'rsid' identifier can't be spoofed by another site

So the final step in configuration validation is to bind the relationship between as and rs discovery together to confirm the relationship is valid.
And what I'd like to see is the 'rsid' value used to represent the RS rather than some unique endpoint (even if wildcards are allowed)

Another step that may be required is for the RS to return it's 'rsid' in the realm field of the WWW-Authenticate response header. This allows a client to discover metadata about the RS and it's endpoints. It also allows the client to determine if the 'rsid' returned by the RS matches the 'rsid' it is expecting.

We are of course assuming that a hacker needs to use the real AS authorize endpoint to succeed in obtaining an access token(it can't be mitm'd). Once the grant is obtained by the client, the threat comes when the client uses the grant at a mitm'd token endpoint OR an access token at a mitm'd resource endpoint.

So the AS and its config set becomes the trust anchor. Binding allows us to extend trust to the RS discovery giving some assurance that a client has a correct set of endpoints including resource.
Are you recommending that the AS metadata provide a list of the 'rsid' supported by the AS?

John's solution requires translating aud to res url and changes to core oauth. He seems to imply there is a need for ongoing validation of resource. I'm not yet convinced that is really needed. Maybe it is needed because the client could be convinced to follow a link embedded in a resource that is somehow not part of the defined audience?

Thanks

Phil

On Mar 16, 2016, at 08:57, George Fletcher <gffle...@aol.com <mailto:gffle...@aol.com>> wrote:

So, in thinking about all this AS restricting tokens to RS and "discovery" of RS endpoints, etc. I wondered why we don't just leverage RS metadata like we have AS metadata.

For an AS we require an 'iss' claim to use as an identifier of the AS. We could do the same with RS metadata retrieving the metadata from a .well-known location and including a claim of 'rsid' to use as an identifier of the Resource Server.

This 'rsid' identifier could then be used for registration with the AS and presentation by the client when requesting tokens.

This provides a separation between an identifier for a resource and the specific endpoints the token will be sent to. A client could "discover" the necessary endpoint on a periodic basis and use a single identifier with the AS for any of the endpoints or scopes supported by the RS. If desired the RS could expose the supported scopes in the RS metadata file.

Thoughts?

Thanks,
George
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