Works for me.

From: OAuth <oauth-boun...@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Torsten Lodderstedt
Sent: Friday, May 1, 2020 2:51 AM
To: Brian Campbell <bcampbell=40pingidentity....@dmarc.ietf.org>
Cc: oauth <oauth@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] PAR - Can AS/client require request object?

Filip´s proposal works for me.

Are there any objections?

Brian Campbell 
<bcampbell=40pingidentity....@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:40pingidentity....@dmarc.ietf.org>>
 schrieb am Mo. 27. Apr. 2020 um 20:57:
While there are certainly different permutations and contexts of use that could 
be imagine, I tend to agree with Filip here in not seeing a strong need to 
define new PAR specific metadata around signing/encryption of the request 
object.

On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 2:35 AM Filip Skokan 
<panva...@gmail.com<mailto:panva...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Considering there's going to be a setting that forces clients to use PAR (other 
mailinglist thread), then we should rely on the existing 
`request_object_signing_alg` presence to indicate a Request Object must be used 
(as suggested by this upcoming OIDC Core 
errata<https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/issues/1045/signalling-that-a-request-object-must>),
 regardless of it being PAR or JAR. I don't see the need for a PAR specific 
metadata, for one - implementations wouldn't be easily able to re-use of 
existing pipelines, two - yes the contexts differ but do you think clients will 
be using both channels at the same time? And even if so, the Request Object is 
the same therefore its applicable to both channels the same.

Best,
Filip Skokan


On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 at 17:09, Torsten Lodderstedt 
<torsten=40lodderstedt....@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:40lodderstedt....@dmarc.ietf.org>>
 wrote:
Hi all,

this is one of the topics we quickly flipped through in the virtual meeting 
last week.

I see the following open questions:
- Can the client require its instances to use request objects only.
- Are there further requirements on the properties of these objects? Signed 
only, Signed and encrypted, algorithms?
- Can an AS require ALL clients to use request objects only?
- Further requirements here as well?
- Is this tied to PAR or relevant for JAR as well?

In my opinion, client as well as AS should be able to control enforced use of 
request objects.

I could imagine the setting for JAR request objects (“request" parameter) and 
request objects in the PAR context differ, as the first case goes through the 
user’s browser whereas the PAR case goes direct from client to AS via a TLS 
protected channel. I therefore feel the settings should be PAR specific.

What do you think?

best regards,
Torsten.
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