On 8 Jul 2020, at 15:40, Justin Richer <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> The two-phase approach is exactly what OBUK does, where you get one access 
> token using client credentials before getting a more specific one in context 
> of the user’s consent. This ends up being awkward to implement at best, since 
> OAuth involves the user too early in the process to allow for this kind of 
> thing. PAR might help address this dichotomy, but RAR can provide places for 
> this to fill in.

I’m not sure how client credentials would help here. The point I’m making is 
that the _user_ needs to consent to two separate things:

1. An initial consent to allow this app/service to initiate payment requests on 
my behalf.
2. Consent to individual transactions.

RAR (and open banking?) completely omits step 1 at the moment, which seems 
crucial. Especially if you’re doing something like CIBA backchannel where step 
1 is effectively consent for this app to spam my phone with payment approval 
requests.

> 
> With XYZ, I tried to design for that kind of multi-stage transaction pattern 
> more explicitly, with the idea that you could continue your request in 
> context and vary it over time, or even start a new request in the context of 
> an existing one. This is something that I intend to continue with the 
> soon-to-be-formed GNAP working group, if you want to bring this use case 
> there.

RAR is adopted by the OAuth WG so I think this needs to be discussed here.

— Neil
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