Hi Warren,

Thank you for the feedback, I appreciate you taking the time. I think you are 
right that, seen from OAuth, nothing here is new, and I should have made that 
clearer up front: in a way, that is what the document is trying to say.

On aud, I should be candid that this was the part I struggled with most. The 
access tokens DPoP is used with in practice require aud, and making it optional 
in the draft may well have been a stretch. My thinking was that the holder is 
the right party to decide the audience; that is what a presentation is. But the 
only aud available is inside the issuer-signed JWT, and the holder cannot set 
it without breaking the issuer's signature, unless one adopts a holder-signed 
wrapper as in the VP model, which is what I was trying to avoid. The DPoP 
proof's htu binds the request, but it is not an audience. I do not have a good 
answer yet, and it needs more thought.

I come from the credential side, where it is often assumed that a verifier 
needs to run OpenID4VP. What I hoped to record is that a DPoP-capable resource 
server can already serve as a presentation verifier for SD-JWT-based 
credentials, with only a few small rules: matching cnf.jwk against cnf.jkt, 
computing ath over the presented SD-JWT including its disclosures so that the 
DPoP proof serves as the key binding, and distinguishing such a credential from 
an access token by typ.

I suspect I found exciting what is simply ordinary in OAuth, and the draft 
shows it. I will revise several parts with this in mind.

Thanks again for the comments.

Best regards,
Su-hyeon

-----Original Message-----
From: "Warren Parad"<[email protected]>
To: "이수현"<[email protected]>;
Cc: <[email protected]>;
Sent: 2026-09-28 (월) 21:47:57 (GMT+09:00)
Subject: [OAUTH-WG] Re: New draft: Presenting Issuer-Signed JWT Credentials to 
Resource Servers with DPoP

What does the audience matter here? The audience claim is optional, what are 
you trying to do that DPoP doesn't already support, that's the part which isn't 
clear for me. I'm also not sure what agents have to do with this, A client 
interacts with multiple resource servers RS, but what ends up in the token is 
responsibility of the AS, if you don't want audience in the token, your AS 
doesn't have to put one there, right?

So I'm still not really sure what can't be done today, or what the change is 
that the draft advocates for. As a bit of feedback, it feels like most if not 
all of the draft is defining what already exists as a summary of OAuth, JWTs, 
and DPoP, and I'm not sure why.

On Mon, Sep 28, 2026 at 12:57 PM 이수현 <[email protected]> wrote:

Hi Warren,

Thank you for taking the time to read it, and fair point: the introduction is 
too abstract.

Some context: I come from the credential side.
In MCP and A2A, OAuth is the first-class mechanism, and from where I sit the 
goal is for credentials to fit into that as closely as possible.
OpenID4VP is excellent where a verifier needs to negotiate with a wallet, but 
that is not this use case.
What struck me is that a DPoP proof already has essentially the same structure 
as the key binding in a verifiable presentation, so an ordinary DPoP-capable 
resource server is, in effect, already a presentation verifier.

Concretely: a user delegates to an agent, and the agent calls several resource 
servers (e.g. MCP tool servers) in the same trust domain.
With access tokens, the agent needs a separate audience-restricted token for 
each resource server.

The draft lets the AS, or an IdP the resource servers already trust, issue one 
holder-bound credential that the agent presents to each resource server 
directly with DPoP, with revocation through a status list.
If the issuer sets aud, it is enforced as usual, and it can list the set of 
resource servers the credential is meant for.
If aud is omitted, the credential is more flexible, at the cost of per-resource 
audience restriction.

Does this make the use case clearer?
If you think an existing mechanism already covers it, I would appreciate a 
pointer.

Best regards,
Su-hyeon

-----Original Message-----
From: "Warren Parad"<[email protected]>
To: "이수현"<[email protected]>;
Cc: <[email protected]>;
Sent: 2026-09-28 (월) 19:00:47 (GMT+09:00)
Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] New draft: Presenting Issuer-Signed JWT Credentials to 
Resource Servers with DPoP

I'm pretty confused by this. I don't really understand what defines or the 
specific use case that is different from the existing mechanisms.

I think the most poignant question for me would be related to this statement in 
the draft:
 The gap is most visible for AI agents.

What gap?

On Mon, Sep 28, 2026 at 11:31 AM 이수현 <[email protected]> wrote:

Hi all,

I have posted a new individual draft:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lee-oauth-dpop-credential-presentation/

It lets a client present an issuer-signed JWT credential directly to a resource 
server using DPoP (RFC 9449), with no authorization server or OpenID4VP flow in 
between.
The wire format is that of a DPoP-bound access token; the draft adds only three 
rules: the issuer is an AS or IdP the resource server already trusts, the 
credential may carry no issuer-set audience, and the resource server checks its 
status.

The motivation is clients that can simply submit a credential, such as AI 
agents calling MCP or A2A endpoints, for which OpenID4VP is more than needed.
It follows the pattern of draft-ietf-oauth-attestation-based-client-auth, but 
for the holder's credential rather than client authentication.

Comments are very welcome.

Best regards,
Su-hyeon Forten Lee



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