Hi Rainer, On Thu, 2013-06-20 at 21:27 +0800, Rainer Rehak wrote: > Hej Armin, > I am very happy that my feedback is apprechiated. ;-) > > Given your answers, I would like to further clarify some things you > mentioned and get a bit more into details with my questions. =) > > Firstly, your comment about the default root directory made me check > it out, but I found the following directories: > .infinote > .infinoted (empty) > .infinoted-records > .infinote-records
> What is the difference between .infinote and .infinoted? And how can > I understand, that infinoted uses ~/.infinote, not ~/.infinoted the .infinoted directory is used for private files for infinoted. For example when you are running it with TLS support, it caches the Diffie-Hellman (DH) parameters in it. The naming is mostly historic. > I would also add the information about the default value for the > root-directory option to the man page entry: > > -r, --root-directory=DIRECTORY > A directory to save the document tree into > (infinoted-xml format). This can be > understood as session directory. Default is ~/.infinote > > This also means, that autosave-interval does really make sense > without the "--root-directory" option. Suggested man page edit: > > from > > --autosave-interval=INTERVAL > Interval within which to save the document > tree to the given directory, in seconds, or 0 > to disable autosave. The default is 60s after > the last client has disconnected. > Requires --root-directory. > > to > > --autosave-interval=INTERVAL > Interval within which to save the document > tree to the given directory, in seconds, or 0 > to disable autosave. The default is 60s after > the last client has disconnected. I made the changes to the manpage (slightly rephrased, but the information is the same). Will push it soon. > Concerning the interval options: The following commands are > functionally equal, right? > > $ infinoted --security-policy=no-tls --root-directory=/tmp/ > --autosave-interval=0 > $ infinoted --security-policy=no-tls --root-directory=/tmp/ > > and also: > > $ infinoted --security-policy=no-tls --sync-directory=/tmp/ > --sync-interval=0 > $ infinoted --security-policy=no-tls Yes. > I guess --autosave-interval=0 is questionable, but --sync-interval=0 > should really not be allowed. Sure, the semantics are clear, but why > should I specify where exactly my docs will not be exported to. ;-) > Call me a nitpicker, but consistency is key for learning new stuff, > I think. You can use it to overwrite an option in the config file... for example if directory synchronization is enabled in the config you can easily disable it on the command line by passing --sync-interval=0. > Running the server within the gobby process would be awesome. If you > let me fantasise, I would even imagine a list of shortcuts in the > "Start local server..." menu. This way one could easily switch > projects like described before, nice! Attached see a very realistic, > high-quality mockup ;-D Partly in german though. Thanks. I have already a good idea of how I want this to work and started with the implementation. > Finally, is there also a logging option for the infinoted server, so > I can see if and who is connected, maybe just to stdout or even into > a file, if daemonized. Something like Something like this has been added for the next version of infinoted. There is a --log-path option, where you can specify a file and it will write some logging information into it. It does track opened and closed connections, but not (yet) created and deleted documents. It also logs when certain errors occur. > $ infinoted --autosave-interval=20 --security-policy=no-tls > Loaded plugin > "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/infinoted-0.5/note-plugins/libinfd-note-plugin-text.so" > (InfText) > IPv6 Server running on port 6523 > [6. Jun 7:03:19 2013] User "snowden" (124.217.139.12) joins the session > [6. Jun 7:05:29 2013] Folder "NSA-docs" created by user "snowden" > [6. Jun 7:09:45 2013] Document "NSA-docs/prism.db" created by user > "snowden" > [10. Jun 11:03:19 2013] User "CYLeung" (202.128.243.212) joins the > session > [10. Jun 21:03:43 2013] User "CYLeung" deletes document > "NSA-docs/prism.db" > [10. Jun 21:03:39 2013] User "CYLeung" leaves the session > > Or to print status information when receiving a SIGHUP or similar. What's happening right now on SIGHUP is a hot-reload of the configuration file. This allows you to change the server password or other settings on the fly without having the throw out users. > This is just an idea, since I haven't found how the server admin can > see what is happening in the sessions (to know (s)he can restart the > server and such). Gobby itself is also very quiet, which is sad, > since it segfaults here from time to time. Do you know whether it prints something to the terminal when this happens? > But ok, enough questions... ;-) I really love this piece and I am > starting to use it regularly. nice to hear :) > Thanks so much > Rainer Cheers, Armin > Am 17.06.2013 02:29, schrieb Armin Burgmeier: > > Hi Rainer, > > > > thanks for the feedback, this is very helpful. It's not so easy for me > > to take a look on the project from someone's eyes who is not as involved > > in it as I am. I'm glad that you find it useful. > > > > I think the description of the options in the manual page were simply > > copied from the --help output of infinoted. I'll push the changes > > recommended by you into git. > > > > The default value of the root-directory is ~/.infinote, and this is > > where your documents are stored when you don't give an explicit option. > > > > A zero sync-interval disables the document synchronization -- no export > > at all. In that sense the document synchronization is an optional > > feature which is useful if you want to process the documents in the > > document tree further, but you need the plain files and not the XML > > format, for example publishing them on a webserver. > > > > I indeed plan to add the option to start an infinote from within gobby, > > and I have some code written already. However, this is not implemented > > by running infinoted, but by running the server within the gobby process > > (using the same library/API that infinoted uses). I cannot say at this > > moment when this will be finished, but once it is there will be another > > release. > > > > Cheers, > > Armin > > > > On Sun, 2013-06-16 at 22:12 +0800, Rainer Rehak wrote: > >> Hey Armin, > >> thank you so much for the detailed and quick reply. The idea with > >> the three instances is nice, but gobby only checks the standard > >> port, so connecting is easier with only one instance running there > >> at a time. > >> > >> Based on your answers I have some more questions (and remarks, I > >> hope you don't mind). ;-) > >> > >> How are documents / the document tree saved when I didn't configure > >> a root dir, because recently I started infinoted without "-r" and > >> got the docs from last time starting without "-r". > >> > >> I am just asking, because "infinoted --autosave-interval 3 > >> --security-policy=no-tls" works, although I would not know were > >> stuff is saved to. I did expect this command to fail when "-r" is > >> missing, but maybe I am getting it wrong. If not, I would suggest to > >> prevent using "--autosave-interval" without "-r". > >> > >> Also, I don't really understand the semantics of a sync-interval of > >> 0, does that mean "export" only once? > >> > >> In the manual (man infinoted) I would also suggest to improve the > >> following: > >> > >> -r, --root-directory=DIRECTORY > >> A directory to store documents into > >> > >> into > >> > >> -r, --root-directory=DIRECTORY > >> A directory to save the document tree into > >> (infinoted-xml format). This can be > >> understood as session directory. > >> > >> and ================================= > >> > >> --autosave-interval=INTERVAL > >> Interval within which to save documents, in seconds, > >> or 0 to disable autosave > >> > >> into > >> > >> --autosave-interval=INTERVAL > >> Interval within which to save the document tree to > >> the given > >> directory, in seconds, or 0 to disable autosave. The default > >> is 60s after > >> the last client has disconnected. Requires --root-directory. > >> > >> and ================================= > >> > >> --sync-directory=DIRECTORY > >> A directory into which to periodically store a copy of > >> the docu‐ > >> ment tree > >> > >> into > >> > >> --sync-directory=DIRECTORY > >> A directory into which to periodically export the > >> documents of the docu‐ > >> ment tree. Requires --sync-intervall > >> > >> and ================================= > >> > >> --sync-interval=INTERVAL > >> Interval within which to store documents to the > >> specified > >> sync-directory, in seconds, or 0 to disable directory > >> synchro‐ > >> nization. > >> > >> into > >> > >> --sync-interval=INTERVAL > >> Interval within which to export the documents to > >> the specified > >> sync-directory, in seconds. Requires --sync-directory. > >> > >> In addition I would maybe clarify the concepts of "document tree", > >> "store a document" "sync a directory" and such in the man pages. > >> This would really help understanding the behaviour of gobby and the > >> infinoted-server better, since I think they are well-designed but > >> still not as nicely described as possible. > >> > >> And finally, have you maybe considered adding a menu item "Start > >> local server" right below "Connect to server..." which only checks > >> if infinoted is installed, then runs "infinoted > >> --security-policy=no-tls" and connects there? I think this would be > >> very helpful, especially for quickies. > >> > >> Thank you very much for this really cool and useful project. ;-D I > >> love it and I am heavily using it now. ;-) > >> > >> Greetings > >> Rainer > >> > >> Am 16.06.2013 17:42, schrieb Armin Burgmeier: > >>> Hi Rainer, > >>> > >>> the default value of autosave-interval is 0, i.e. no autosave. In that > >>> case infinoted only saves a document when it unloads it from memory, > >>> which is 60 seconds after all users have left a session. > >>> > >>> The documents are saved in the root directory of infinoted. > >>> > >>> The server automatically stores all the sessions (documents and changes > >>> by the users) in the root directory when it is shut down. Also, > >>> individual documents are saved when autosave is enabled, or, as > >>> mentioned above, there are no users in the session for 60 seconds. > >>> > >>> For three different "topics" you can also use three directories in one > >>> infinoted. Or I suppose you could run three infinoteds with different > >>> root dirs on different ports. > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Armin > >>> > >>> On Sun, 2013-06-16 at 16:50 +0800, Rainer Rehak wrote: > >>>> Dear guys, > >>>> I love Gobby and have some questions regarding making better use of > >>>> infinoted. > >>>> > >>>> What is the "--autosave-interval" default value (when I don't > >>>> specify) and where are the documents saved to. I couldn't find this > >>>> information. > >>>> > >>>> How can I save a server session (the current documents and their > >>>> changes by each user), only by specifying a root dir (-r)? So when I > >>>> have three independent topics I want to switch between, do I > >>>> therefore need three "root dirs". > >>>> > >>>> Thanks a lot > >>>> Rainer > -- To unsubscribe, send mail to obby-users-unsubscr...@list.0x539.de.
