Inilah klo masalah duit memang rumit.. sesama saudara OB bs jd bertengkar,
Dibawa santai saja, klo turun ya tunggu sampai naik, cuma permainan waktu aja.. 
mari kita dukung terus investor lokal biar asing pada kecele... BEI Ke 3000? 
LANJUTKAN!!!


--- On Sat, 6/20/09, sylar_fang <sylar_f...@yahoo.co.id> wrote:

From: sylar_fang <sylar_f...@yahoo.co.id>
Subject: [ob] Re: ph. MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!! SAYA JG MINTA MAAF ... :) 
Jend disuap!
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 8:14 PM











    
            
            


      
      ... ane dapet rumor yg udah ane check kebenaran na ... ternyata jendral 
arto juga disuap ... disuap ama seketaris na ... hahaha ... 



:)



--- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, artomoro9 <artomo...@. ..> wrote:

>

> 

> Bisa Galak juga mas harry wie jen ini. Biasanya kalem aja tuh di room #ob.  
> Tapi mestinya emang harus ada etika kok. Katanya mau ada gathering room irc 
> #ob ya? Boleh ikutan? Gmana daftarnya?

> 

> harrywijaya81 wrote: 

> >       --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com , "Vaulstrad" <vaulstrad@ ..> 
> > wrote: 

> >> gpp sir ... 

> >   saya jg minta maaf kalo kata kata saya kasar 

> >   mohon dimaafkan jg ... :) 

> >   kita di " perahu " yg sama , mohon jgn saling ribut ... :) 

> >> maaf pak harry. saya tarik balik semua statement saya. 

> >> 

> >> 

> >> 

> >> --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com , "harrywijaya81" <harrywijaya81@ 
> >> > wrote: 

> >> > 

> >> > --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com , bank bni <bankbnijkt@ > wrote: 

> >> > >  gini pak ... 

> >> >    bukan mksd mau bicara kasar ... 

> >> >    tp jgn main nuduh aza ... 

> >> >    apa dia d ada bukti ??? 

> >> >    kalo dia yg dituduh org ... bgmana ??? 

> >> > 

> >> > 

> >> > > Weleh...weleh. ..weleh.. ., bahasanya kok jadi bagus banget ya..., 
> >> > > Yang sopan atuh.... 

> >> > > Jangan terlalu terbuka gitu ah...ini kan milih umum.... 

> >> > > 

> >> > > Maaf ya....mungkin kalau bahasanya seperti ini terus , bisa di blok 
> >> > > tuh...pak Admin user nya. 

> >> > > 

> >> > > Tks 

> >> > > 

> >> > > 

> >> > > 

> >> > > 

> >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __ 

> >> > > From: Cougar Boy <boysngirls@ > 

> >> > > To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com 

> >> > > Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 3:12:10 PM 

> >> > > Subject: Re: [ob] ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!! 

> >> > > 

> >> > > 

> >> > > 

> >> > > 

> >> > > 

> >> > > lebih tepat jari kali ya :D 

> >> > > 

> >> > > ini kan email.... 

> >> > > 

> >> > > joke :D 

> >> > > 

> >> > > 

> >> > > On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 3:04 PM, harrywijaya81 <harrywijaya81@ 
> >> > > yahoo.com> wrote: 

> >> > > 

> >> > > 

> >> > > 

> >> > > 

> >> > > --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, PHâ„¢ <vaulstrad@ 
> >> > > .> wrote: 

> >> > > > PH ............ ... 

> >> > > kalo u ngomong , mulut tolong dijaga , jgn asal keluar aza ... 

> >> > > w tau , mgkn u salah satu org yg sangkutz di bumi wkt 8000 an yah ... 
> >> > > kekekkekeeeee ... rasain u ... kalo emang lg sangkutz berat di bumi , 
> >> > > jgn sensitif gt donk tolol ............ . 

> >> > > 

> >> > > mgkn anda tdk kenal dkt dgn rully , tp saya sangat kenal dgn rully ... 

> >> > > rully bukan type org yg bisa disuap . 

> >> > > 

> >> > > KALO ANDA YG KETUA KIPS , MGKN IYA , BISA DISUAP . 

> >> > > 

> >> > > DASAR TOLOL ... 

> >> > > 

> >> > > > 

> >> > > > Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... 
> >> > > > ;( 

> >> > > > Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin 
> >> > > > call... jadi boke.... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang 
> >> > > > tertentu.... 

> >> > > > 

> >> > > > 

> >> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- 

> >> > > > Bumi Investors Say: â€ËÅ"No Probe? No 
> >> > > > Problem’ 

> >> > > > 

> >> > > > 

> >> > > > 

> >> > > > 

> >> > > > In 

> >> > > > 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the 

> >> > > > Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the 

> >> > > > market regulator’s apparent whitewash of the PT 
> >> > > > Bumi Resources probe, 

> >> > > > nothing much has changed. 

> >> > > > 

> >> > > > However, despite the potential 

> >> > > > damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator 
> >> > > > â€" not to 

> >> > > > mention the interests of small investors â€" it now appears 
> >> > > > that it’s a 

> >> > > > case of â€Å"out of sight, out of mind,†with 
> >> > > > analysts and even Bumi’s 

> >> > > > minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the 
> >> > > > decision 

> >> > > > of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency 

> >> > > > (Bapepam-LK) . 

> >> > > > 

> >> > > > In January, the agency launched a probe into the 

> >> > > > Bumi’s purchase of three coal firms â€" PT 
> >> > > > Darma Henwa, PT Fajar Bumi 

> >> > > > Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara â€" for a total of Rp 
> >> > > > 6.18 trillion 

> >> > > > ($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over allegations 
> >> > > > that 

> >> > > > the acquisitions were overpriced. 

> >> > > > 

> >> > > > It was also alleged that the 

> >> > > > acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the 
> >> > > > approval 

> >> > > > of Bumi shareholders â€" which was never given â€" 
> >> > > > ­and that some of the 

> >> > > > coal firms were actually affiliated with Bumi’s 
> >> > > > owners, the Bakrie 

> >> > > > group of companies, through obscure cross-shareholding arrangements. 

> >> > > > 

> >> > > > However, 

> >> > > > after a seemingly interminable probe that included the recruitment 
> >> > > > of 

> >> > > > an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come up with was 

> >> > > > that the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti, was 
> >> > > > Rp 

> >> > > > 370 billion too high. 

> >> > > > 

> >> > > > But even here Bumi was given an easy way 

> >> > > > out â€" all it had to do was renegotiate the price and 
> >> > > > bring it down to a 

> >> > > > â€Å"reasonable†level, which it says it is now 
> >> > > > in the process of doing. 

> >> > > > 

> >> > > > The 

> >> > > > market watchdog also let Bumi off the hook on the material 
> >> > > > transaction 

> >> > > > question, saying that since the transactions took place in different 

> >> > > > fiscal years the issue of materiality did not arise â€" a 
> >> > > > view that many 

> >> > > > would consider excessively legalistic given that all of the 

> >> > > > transactions took place within little more than one week. Dharma 
> >> > > > Henwa 

> >> > > > was bought on Dec. 30, Pendopo Energi Batubara on Jan. 5 and Fajar 
> >> > > > Bumi 

> >> > > > Sakti on Jan. 7. 

> >> > > > 

> >> > > > Capital market regulations designed to 

> >> > > > protect the interests of minority shareholders require a company to 

> >> > > > seek shareholder approval for a transaction if its value exceeds 10 

> >> > > > percent of the company’s revenue or 20 percent of 
> >> > > > its market value. In 

> >> > > > this case, the combined value of the transactions would have 
> >> > > > required 

> >> > > > such approval had they not been completed in different years. 

> >> > > > 

> >> > > > On 

> >> > > > the affiliation issue, Bapepam has completely abandoned its 

> >> > > > investigation without coming up with any findings, saying that the 

> >> > > > question is now irrelevant. 

> >> > > > 

> >> > > > Indra Safitri, an independent 

> >> > > > capital market legal consultant, said that Bapepam had based its 

> >> > > > actions on the findings of the independent appraiser. 

> >> > > > 

> >> > > > â€Å"The 

> >> > > > other issues become irrelevant if the prices paid are 
> >> > > > reasonable,†he 

> >> > > > said, when asked whether the market watchdog was justified in 

> >> > > > abandoning its affiliation probe. 

> >> > > > 

> >> > > > Meanwhile, a representative 

> >> > > > of Bumi’s minority shareholders, Rully Oetomo, 
> >> > > > said: â€Å"We welcome the 

> >> > > > fact that Bumi’s management is willing to 
> >> > > > renegotiate and seek a better 

> >> > > > price for Fajar Bumi.†

> >> > > > 

> >> > > > Rully said that since the transactions 

> >> > > > were found to have been nonmaterial, Bumi would not now have to seek 

> >> > > > shareholder approval. A meeting had been scheduled for this purpose 

> >> > > > this coming Friday. 

> >> > > > 

> >> > > > â€Å"We will not push Bapepam to continue the investigation 
> >> > > > into the affiliation issue if we are happy with the 
> >> > > > price,†Rully said. 

> >> > > > 

> >> > > > But 

> >> > > > despite the newfound acquiescence of the company’s 
> >> > > > shareholders, doubts 

> >> > > > nevertheless persist, not to mention concerns over the future of 

> >> > > > corporate governance here as a whole, with one analyst having aptly 

> >> > > > characterized the entire affair as â€Å"nothing more than a 
> >> > > > game.†

> >> > > > 

> >> > > > 

> >> > > > Jakarta Globe 

> >> > > > 

> >> > > 

> >> > 

> >> 

> >      

> 

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