That said and done, thanks Paddy for your watchful eye 'By the River of Observatory'. However, re the suggestions of rallying for funds to remunerate persons to do guarding duties. Off the cuff, I suspect that any such practice of paid guarding/patrolling would not be in line with lawful labor practices and part time employment as injury or death while on duty may lead to great risks of backfiring. If not mistaken, such work must be undertaken via security type entities.i.e Premier, ADT, CBAR or Securitas etc. It might be good to inquire what such costs may amount to per guard, per shift. I seem to recall, from a previous exercise via the OBSID,, that it works out to a pretty sum, too high to come by and the thought was shelved.
On 25 June 2015 at 19:00, <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes Patrick, I'm aware of this, as I am in the private sector (security), > and due process needs to follow. But I will be more than willing to escort. > > Paul > > > PS - I hope you guys find places for these people, as days and nights are > getting cold. > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > ------------------------------ > *From: * Patrick Chapple <[email protected]> > *Sender: * [email protected] > *Date: *Thu, 25 Jun 2015 17:35:29 +0000 > *To: *[email protected]<[email protected]> > *ReplyTo: * [email protected] > *Subject: *RE: [obsnw] Lower Obs (other side of the Railways) very > concerned > > Thank you Paul, > > But this is done by the book. First the Social workers. The Obscid Social > Worker Kenneth Roan is outstanding. Those that wish shelter are taken > there. But if that offer is refused, then the camps are removed. Obs as a > community works really hard at rehabilitation and re integration. The > Apartheid days are over. But there is certainly a crime nest operating out > of the camps along the Liesbeek! > > Paddy Chapple > > > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf > Of *[email protected] > *Sent:* 25 June 2015 07:26 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [obsnw] Lower Obs (other side of the Railways) very > concerned > > > > Let me know when........I will assist > > Paul > > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > ------------------------------ > > *From: *Patrick Chapple <[email protected]> > > *Sender: *[email protected] > > *Date: *Thu, 25 Jun 2015 17:21:21 +0000 > > *To: *[email protected]<[email protected]> > > *ReplyTo: *[email protected] > > *Subject: *RE: [obsnw] Lower Obs (other side of the Railways) very > concerned > > > > I received an attack from an organisation called Ground up via Facebook > for removing the encampments along the Liesbeek. Yes, I agree. There might > be one or two innocent homeless amongst the 6 camps I removed. Let me tell > everyone the reality. I personally went done there. How many of these > people are cross dressers? Because the litter was predominated by hand > bags! Witnesses who guard the SAN Circus have witnessed the thefts and > directly point at the perpetrators running towards the river. A robbery at > Merindol ( number 2) is a case in point. On my site visit, I was certainly > tracked by two residents whose intentions seemed to be not to ask me for > my Business card. Now I have an NGO, Groundup, who are complaining! But > where were they when I asked NGOs to assist? As usual only the City and > Obscid responded! I am going to raid the two new camps that have sprung up > along the Liesbeek since the last raid. I suggest Groundup consult with > them. Because crime WILL go down below the railway line when these camps > are removed. And incidentally. Groundup financial books make interesting > reading. More wages than action! Lot more wages! Groundup stop exploiting. > Offer your services to Obscid. Be part of the solution! You are making > problems for your own financial game, it seems. > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected] > <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Marc Turok > *Sent:* 25 June 2015 11:04 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [obsnw] Lower Obs (other side of the Railways) very > concerned > > > > The idea of people chipping in would be a very local thing for a few > streets to get some extra help during some hours when volunteers are not > available for a limited period like two months to break the crime cycle > while OBSID is getting its broad evenly spread security ‘activities’ > together in full tilt once again...not to try raise funds like Obswatch > attempted to do for the whole of Observatory. > > If the problem is seen to be Friday and Saturday night 9 to 12 pm and for > example and no one is available to volunteer then maybe employ someone to > help for 6 hrs a week at about R30 or R40 per hour ..One would need to > raise R 180 to 240 per week, lets say for a month trial to see the impact. > The mini area would need to raise about R1000 for the month. I am saying if > those who are not able to volunteer time, were to contribute R 40 to R80 > for the month, one would need 15 to 25 households to chip in for this > turnaround strategy to kick in. This in addition to volunteers doing > patrols. If the combination works as an improvement, it could be changed eg > to do a stakeout at another time like Wednesday and Friday afternoon for > two hours each instead of weekend nigh, rotating and uncover the patterns > that need to be noticed and acted on by OPS. > > Regards, > > Marc > > > > *From:* marion <[email protected]> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2015 2:47 PM > > *To:* [email protected] > > *Subject:* Re: [obsnw] Lower Obs (other side of the Railways) very > concerned > > > > Hi All > > I have read the comments on this topic so far with interest. > > While it is good news that crime has gone down in Obs in general, armed > muggings are most definitely on the increase in Lower Obs. I have lived in > Crown St for 20 years, and while we have had issues with car and house > break-ins, I do not recall having so many aggressive muggings as this > recent spate. Like Melanie, I am feeling scared to walk around my own > neighbourhood, and also worry for my child, as well as our childminder and > her daughter. > > - I agree that the community can do a lot to address this situation, and > Jonah, I like your sign idea. I also agree that patrols are effective not > as an alternative to policing, but to simply get more people out and about. > Other activities like the moonlight walk achieve this too. > > - However, I am concerned that the prioritisation of the Lower Main rd > issues, combined with the installation of cameras, has been at the expense > of lower Obs. Future plans need to be less reactive and put plans in place > that benefit the whole of Observatory, not just one part of it. > > - I am willing to consider putting in extra as a once off to pay for > cameras. However, I am not in favour of trying to get households to make a > regular additional financial commitment to pay for extra security. Those of > you who were around during the Obswatch days will know that it is a > nightmare trying to get people to pay up monthly. 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