Rosemary, I don't know, but sometimes it seems like it. And I also don't know where the perception that we have OBSID so we don't need a neighbourhood watch. Each of them are independent but vital to the success of crime fighting. SAPS and OBSID are incredibly grateful for what we do.

On 8/14/2015 9:36 PM, Rosemary Robins wrote:
Jenny - I think there is still a little confusion. Can people really think ONW volunteers are paid?

On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 8:29 PM, Jenny Calder <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    Annemarie, ONW is not part of OBSID but we all work together for
    the safety of all.  ONW is made up of volunteers who freely give
    their time to help to ensure the safety of all.



    On 8/14/2015 5:35 PM, Annemarie du Bois wrote:

    Ok thanks Marc for explaining  the structure .     What you say
    makes sense.    While I believe that the owners /residents in OBS
    need to be alert , report and be pro- active , the point is we
    work and are extremely busy with our lives to just keep abreast
    of the demands of life ,  and that is why we  secure our homes at
    a huge cost , constantly upgrading it  , pay for monitoring , pay
    for armed response and then also pay for OBSID , to perform tasks
    that one would expect from the controlling bodies  eg. municipal
    or government to perform  ( which we know by now has just
    deteriorated to the extent that we need to take control of it
    ourselves.)

    For that reason , OBSNW /OBSID   (whatever)  was established to
    make sure we get  security to perform the job which SAPS should
have been in control of , if we lived in a normal society . So, as we pay for such services in addition to our rates and
    taxes , we need to make sure that the people who are in fact
    employed to do this task are competent and are here to serve us
    and stop this crime affecting us the way it does.

    We have all witnessed the sleeping guards, the guards who  walk
    as though they are more interested in their cell phones , than in
    what is going on around them.    What of course is a major
    problem is that our crime  all over the country , is totally out
    of control on every level , so it is even more important to make
    sure we get value for what we pay for , as it  grossly affects us.

    I like your suggestion ,   which is very positive : What I think
    we have to work on, is to get the right affordable mix of
    patrollers on foot, on bike and silent scooter, to watch and
    report, supported by the community ONW PLUS a well- trained and
    motivated locally based “flying squad’' security pair, who can
    arrest and work with police, as a police / security trained pair,
    supported by police and with good local tracking system that
    catches the criminals on their escape route, so every incident
    ends in an arrest and a conviction! I believe OBSID IS going for
    it.   That means , there is  recognition of what is wrong  in the
    current system  and   plans are being made to drastically improve
    on what we have.       Thugs have become extremely  comfortable
    with this lack of security performance in OBS and are  therefore
    having a fantastic time robbing and stealing us , but this can
    end up tragically too, as we know. We  need a no – tolerance
    approach to  crime in our community  , and therefore if we have
    guards that are not fulfilling that function , we will remain at
    risk, on top of wasting our funds at the same time.      Thugs
    thrive on weakness. !

    I realize the importance of the community taking control, being
    pro- active  and that is very good, but it is not always possible
    to have ears and eyes all over the show and the reason why we are
    paying  outsiders  to perform that task to the best of their
    ability  (not half measuredly ! )  , which we cannot cope with.

    I am happy to know there is recognition of where it should
improve to take back OBS , for the residents and not the thugs to enjoy. !.

    Have a great and safe weekend !

    *From:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
    [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Marc Turok
    *Sent:* 14 August 2015 12:13 PM
    *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
    *Subject:* Re: [obsnw] Re: Armed Robbery Obs Mini Cafe Station
    Road Tonight

    I think Annemarie has got some facts wrong.

    I believe OBSID started with ADT then Vetus Schola and now have
    Securitas acting on their behalf but is now regaining control
    over the performance rather than leaving it to the agents.

    Its not helping if we spend large sums to OBSID who pays another
    firm to employ patrollers  who are not empowered to do police
    work and then people criticise because we expect them to act as
    trained police which they are not.

    What I think we have to work on, is to get the right affordable
    mix of patrollers on foot, on bike and silent scooter, to watch
    and report, supported by the community ONW PLUS a well trained
    and motivated locally based “flying squad’' security pair, who
    can arrest and work with police, as a police / security trained
    pair, supported by police and with good local tracking system
    that catches the criminals on their escape route, so every
    incident ends in an arrest and a conviction! I believe OBSID IS
    going for it. Marc

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