Hi Steven, Do you have a solution for variations on the disturbance theme?
33 South Backpackers at 48 Trill Road (the orange house), installed intrusively bright florescent signage on the pavement in October. Half my flat is robbed of darkness and many other flats are affected by this rude flood lighting. I called the police the day these lights went up and was told to keep reporting the problem. We at Churchill Mansions have had meetings with Natasha and her staff about noise and these lights. The noise hasn’t been bad over the Christmas holidays, but the lights shine relentlessly until someone remembers to turn them off after sunrise. I’m itching to do some target practice from my balcony which is less than a stone’s throw from these fittings. Have you got a better idea? Suzanne Sent from Windows Mail From: stephen van der spuy Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 11:18 AM To: [email protected] Mithila ,,, this noise can be stopped immediately ,,,call me ,, I will help ,, no payment ,,, free of charge,,, call any time ,,, 071 424 6805,,,, I've been resident in Observatory for 66 years ,,, know how to stop noise ,,, legally. On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 10:12 AM, stephen van der spuy <[email protected]> wrote: Mithila,,, it appears that this noise is going to drive you crazy,,,, please phone me on 071 424 6805 and I'll do my best to help you get this problem sorted out as soon as possible,,,,without strong -arm tactics, On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 7:58 PM, stephen van der spuy <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Matilda, Keep a record of everything you do. First complain to those who are making the noise. Next,, complain to the landlord,,,,take it from there,,,,,,nobody is allowed to disturb your sleep,,,,,I could advise further if I knew where you stayed. On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 2:16 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: [email protected] Google Groups Topic digest View all topics Need solution of Noisy problem. - 9 Updates Need solution of Noisy problem. Mithila Orna <[email protected]>: Dec 20 04:37AM -0800 Hi, I am Mithila. I am facing Noisy problem. My upstairs are very rude and always play loud music in my sleeping time. I feel always disturb for them. I need help. Need solution. What should I do now?? Should I complaint to authorities or take revenge? Any here have done anything effective? Thanks Carolyn Neville <[email protected]>: Dec 20 03:41PM +0200 Hi Mithila Where do you live? Are you renting or are you an owner? Are the people upstairs renting? Do you know who the landlord is? What times of the day are they playing music? Can you keep a time log of exactly when they are playing music, and then note down when you go and speak to them to ask them to turn it down, and what their response is. If you can do this for a couple of weeks then you are in a better position to make a complaint to the authorities. Let me know how it goes. Best wishes Carolyn Neville "Barbara Langridge" <[email protected]>: Dec 20 04:06PM +0200 Hallo, The City of Cape Town has by laws which stipulate times where noise over a certain level is not acceptable, and a legitimate basis for complaint can be lodged with the authorities. Firstly, check the by laws and times one can expect “peace and quiet”. Secondly, speak to your neighbour. Thirdly, are you a property owner, or tenant, and what of the offender? Do they have a landlord you can approach? Logging the times are pointless if they fall outside the hours when noise is permissible, but if the noise is unreasonable after 10.00 pm in the weekdays, and 12.00 midnight over the weekends, then you have a case. Just check those hours as well, that was the law the last time I checked up and I don’t know if there have been and changes since. Regards From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Carolyn Neville Sent: 20 December 2016 03:41 PM To: Mithila Orna Cc: The Observatory Neighbourhood Watch Subject: Re: [obsnw] Need solution of Noisy problem. Hi Mithila Where do you live? Are you renting or are you an owner? Are the people upstairs renting? Do you know who the landlord is? What times of the day are they playing music? Can you keep a time log of exactly when they are playing music, and then note down when you go and speak to them to ask them to turn it down, and what their response is. If you can do this for a couple of weeks then you are in a better position to make a complaint to the authorities. Let me know how it goes. Best wishes Carolyn Neville On 20 Dec 2016, at 2:37 PM, Mithila Orna <[email protected]> wrote: Hi, I am Mithila. I am facing Noisy problem. My upstairs are very rude and always play loud music in my sleeping time. I feel always disturb for them. I need help. Need solution. What should I do now?? Should I complaint to authorities or take revenge? Any here have done anything effective? Thanks -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- OPS [Obsid Public Safety] - 24/7 control room TEL: 021-447-1066 or 072-063-1653 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- EMERGENCIES: 10111 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ONW email: [email protected] WEB: www.obswatch.org.za FACEBOOK: facebook.com/obswatch ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Useful Obs Numbers: obs.org.za/obsdir You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Observatory Neighbourhood watch group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. 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For more options, visit this group at https://groups.google.com/d/forum/obsnw?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Observatory Neighbourhood Watch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. [email protected]: Dec 20 05:27PM +0200 Dear all, Attached are the noise regulations for your information. Regards Carolyn Neville Trevor Hughes <[email protected]>: Dec 20 07:03PM +0200 Thanks Carolyn I skimmed through the regulation as usual a lot of blah blah blah. But no mention of times. Clearly amplified music that disturbs is listed, but not wailing of clerics and ringing of church bells. Disturbing the peace for you religion is obviously tolerated and allowed tacitly or implicitly. Barbara do you have links to by laws that specify times. A noise louder than specified in regulations is not allowed at any time unless specific permission has been obtained - thats what I took from that legislation. It seems keeping a log is critical. Good luck to the OP. I don;t think this is an issue for the municipality and I doubt much joy without an appalling waste of time will be obtained. Perhaps earplugs and sleeping tablets or a good joint is the way to go. Trev Barbara Anne Langridge <[email protected]>: Dec 20 10:59PM +0200 Trevor, Hence my second point refers. Speak to the neighbour thus relying on mutual respect. Rather than earplugs and a joint as you have suggested. I hardly think recommending use of illegal substances is appropriate when muchbof our crime in Obz is drug related. Regards Sent from my iPhone Sent from my iPhone James Cowley <[email protected]>: Dec 20 11:51PM Hi Mithila Glad you having support from Obs stalwarts thus far. Carolyn's advice is a good way forward. If noise persist, SAPS can be contacted to tone them down a few times. Note down your date/time when calling on them, and results etc. If ongoing, Metro Law Enforcement can be called, or asked via OBSID/OPS, to address them, else the local Obs Metro Law Enforcement Reservist to be contacted - they can issue fines etc. Also note date/time logs etc. I hope your matter is resolved peacefully and quickly. James On 20 December 2016 at 20:59, Barbara Anne Langridge <[email protected] "Marc Turok" <[email protected]>: Dec 21 02:31AM +0200 Hi, Henk is most experienced on this issue. As far as I recall, he told us that we can complain whenever we are disturbed by noise that is disruptive when we are in our homes with doors and windows closed. It is particularly legitimate if the disturbance is on-going. You do not need to wait before you complain. Just keep a record so there is evidence so the problem is well tracked for evidence, particularly after each time the neighbours have been warned. One can even ask OBSID to speak to the neighbours and ask for advice who to call from Henk or councillor Patrick Chapple. I do not think it matters if you are an owner or not but you certainly can deal with it through a land lord if the problem is caused by people who are renting. I believe in speaking to people nicely and telling them that you are disturbed by the noise and if they could please tone it down. If you have complained and they have not responded, you need to take firm action, calling the police if necessary, explaining the problem and then you have that evidence also when, if it persists, you can lay a charge of disturbing the peace and it would be best not to confront them too often, opening yourself up to abuse from them. If after the problem persists and you have records of evidence, there is a fair chance that they can be stopped by imposition of a fine, equipment removed, or eviction with help of authorities. I am not sure but it is not easy to achieve. I once resorted to using my hosepipe to wet my neighbours through their open window but can not recommend this action due to water restrictions and other reasons. Good luck and keep us informed what happens. Marc From: Carolyn Neville Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 3:41 PM To: Mithila Orna Cc: The Observatory Neighbourhood Watch Subject: Re: [obsnw] Need solution of Noisy problem. Hi Mithila Where do you live? Are you renting or are you an owner? Are the people upstairs renting? Do you know who the landlord is? What times of the day are they playing music? Can you keep a time log of exactly when they are playing music, and then note down when you go and speak to them to ask them to turn it down, and what their response is. If you can do this for a couple of weeks then you are in a better position to make a complaint to the authorities. Let me know how it goes. Best wishes Carolyn Neville On 20 Dec 2016, at 2:37 PM, Mithila Orna <[email protected]> wrote: Hi, I am Mithila. I am facing Noisy problem. My upstairs are very rude and always play loud music in my sleeping time. I feel always disturb for them. I need help. Need solution. What should I do now?? Should I complaint to authorities or take revenge? Any here have done anything effective? Thanks -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- OPS [Obsid Public Safety] - 24/7 control room TEL: 021-447-1066 or 072-063-1653 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- EMERGENCIES: 10111 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ONW email: [email protected] WEB: www.obswatch.org.za FACEBOOK: facebook.com/obswatch ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Useful Obs Numbers: obs.org.za/obsdir You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Observatory Neighbourhood watch group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. 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Talk to the offending parties and try to get to some working relationship. 2. Phone *10111 and tell them that you have a noise complaint providing the number and street from which the noise is coming 3. Record date and times when noise started etc but also ask for I.R. reference number and name of operator. 4. 10111 should send a radio signal to Woodstock SAPS who must attend to the matter. 5. You can make a complaint say every 20 to 30 minutes. 6. Keep a record of all complaint, names, references etc etc. (very important). * Alternative Saps and Law Enforcement numbers you will find on obs.org.za/obsdir/ download and book mark it to your phone it gives a listing of over 50 Obs Emergency numbers and whilst there have a look at *Noise Clubs & Pubs & the Procedure.* Whilst this could help it may not be the end of it and that's were the records come in. Best regards, Frank Back to top You have received this digest because you're subscribed to updates for this group. 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