Here's a comment (seems to be in approval queue on the O'Reilly Radar post) with my quick take. Well known stuff for most on this list, probably except for the point Mike Dupont asked about.
Great interview. Various people have asked publicly eg http://lists.okfn.org/pipermail/odc-discuss/2011-June/000381.html and privately what "At some point down the line I personally expect the ODbL and CC to be compatible and we will be able to cross-pollinate once more" could mean. The short version of a very long story is that ODbL and OSM's process of migrating to it was prompted by CC BY-SA not adequately addressing what are known as sui generis database rights, a copyright-like restriction on databases that exists primarily in the EU, and something that should be licensed along with copyright so that users have the freedoms intended to be granted by the license and utilization of those freedoms protected by copyleft. The upside is that OSM got (or is about to get) a license better suited to it. The downside is that there are now two big incompatible copyleft silos (BY-SA and ODbL) which is bad for reuse and growth of the copyleft universe, and contrary to general trend in both content/database (most well known is Wikipedia migration from FDL to BY-SA) and software (various licenses becoming GPL compatible). In the long run I am very hopeful that we'll have the best of both worlds. CC BY-SA 4.0 is going to address database rights, and we're talking with Open Knowledge Foundation/Open Data Commons about re-unifying the copyleft content/database universe. There are a number of ways that could happen, and it'll probably take a long time. But that's mainly because these are hard problems. Looking at the FLOSS example is both heartening (lots of progress has been made on interoperability) and scary (it has taken a huge amount of work and a really long time). Further reading: * http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/26283 post explaining nuances of CC and databases as of early 2011 * http://www.slideshare.net/mlinksva/towards-license-interoperability-patterns-of-sustainable-sharing-policy http://share-psi.eu/papers/CreativeCommons.pdf my slides and position paper for a recent panel on legal interoperability... * ... http://www.slideshare.net/jordanhatcher/open-data-licensing-share-psi-workshopJordan Hatcher's (OKF/ODC) slides from same panel There will be more forthcoming from CC and OKF/ODC as we figure things out. I highly recommend OKF's annual conference June 30/July 1 in Berlin to everyone (amazing program, check it out!) and specifically http://okcon.org/2011/programme/open-data-licensing in which Jordan Hatcher and my CC colleague Tim Vollmer will discuss open data licensing. Mike (Creative Commons) On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Jonathan Gray <[email protected]>wrote: > I think you can expect to hear something on this pretty soon! ;-) > > On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 6:07 AM, Mike Dupont > <[email protected]> wrote: > > I was wondering about this : "At some point down the line I personally > > expect the ODbL and CC to be compatible and we will be able to > > cross-pollinate once more.", is there any more information about this > > statement, or is it just a way of saying that the new license breaks > > compatibility with the old? > > thanks, > > mike > > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Jonathan Gray <[email protected]> > > wrote: > >> > >> FYI: > >> > >> > >> > http://radar.oreilly.com/2011/06/openstreetmap-creative-commons-open-database-license.html > >> > >> -- > >> Jonathan Gray > >> > >> Community Coordinator > >> The Open Knowledge Foundation > >> http://blog.okfn.org > >> > >> http://twitter.com/jwyg > >> http://identi.ca/jwyg > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> odc-discuss mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/odc-discuss > > > > > > > > -- > > James Michael DuPont > > Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova and Albania flossk.org > > flossal.org > > > > > > -- > Jonathan Gray > > Community Coordinator > The Open Knowledge Foundation > http://blog.okfn.org > > http://twitter.com/jwyg > http://identi.ca/jwyg > > _______________________________________________ > odc-discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/odc-discuss > -- https://creativecommons.net/ml
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