Thanks for the feedback, Shaba.

On Sun, Apr 28, 2024 at 7:47 AM Stephane Coillet-Matillon <
[email protected]> wrote:

> Thanks SJ, very interesting. And cool to hear that there’s interest around
> offline wikis.
>
> The million-dollar question I guess after what you wrote is whether we
> should support or not this Charter when it is put up for a vote?
>

Personally, I am unlikely to support this version of a Charter: it is still
changing too much and too opaquely.  A charter for our movement of all
movements should honor the value of fast, flexible, frequent iteration.
[the committee just confirmed
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Movement_Charter#End_of_the_Community_Engagement>
they will make another major bulk revision and immediately proceed to a
vote.]

For our group, even if the final text resolves the many open issues with
the current draft, I think we should be wary of supporting it for two
reasons:

*–* Revisions are going to be made even harder.  From Risker's latest
comment
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Movement_Charter#Alternate_ratification_and_amendment_process_proposals>
on the talk page, all revisions of any substance may require a community
vote.  That's a risky outcome in my view: a high-overhead governance
process, requiring a second high-overhead process to make any changes.

*=* This final round of outreach + vote has positioned affiliates against
individual contributors in terms of setting tone, purpose, & priorities.*
This is an affiliate-heavy governance proposal with a few affiliates
already asking for a Council to be the "highest decision-maker" about
resource distribution.**  That doesn't feel right for reasons Yger
expressed here
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Movement_Charter#Concerns_over_comments_from_Affiliates_EDs_and_Affiliates_summit>.
We should fix this in the draft before voting, or indicate that more work
is needed.

Sam

* There has been little substantive engagement of the broader editing
community since the first drafts landed on Meta last year.
The last month of outreach leaned heavily on a Summit gathering of
affiliates alone.
**  This would be risky governance practice to assign to a yet-undefined
Council, with gameable governance and COI challenges.  It's also rather
different from the 2019 plans that started us down this path
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Iteration_2/Roles_%26_Responsibilities/2%263>
.
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