The money paid to tax is lost permanent. There is no way to get the money back. The house price is always up and down. If you are willing to wait in long term(let's say 10 years term), the house price is always up. ;-)
Regards Leigh www.smootharm.com -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Alister Christie Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 9:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; NZ Borland Developers Group - Offtopic List Subject: Re: [DUG-Offtopic] RE: [DUG] basic question Negative gearing property, is just stupidity. It's basically spending 3 dollars to make 2 dollars and then hoping property prices will rise (although this has happened a lot lately) and is very risky. I don't understand why people loath paying taxes so much that are willing to lose money to do it. Alister Christie Computers for People Ph: 04 471 1849 Fax: 04 471 1266 http://www.salespartner.co.nz PO Box 13085 Johnsonville Wellington Todd Martin wrote: > I believe the top personal tax rate has played a significant role in fueling > the housing boom. Let's face it, negatively gearing property investment is > the only option open to middle class salary earners to reduce their tax > exposure. > > With high interest rates, comparatively low rents and no great tax break, many > of these people would flee the market. I think many would never have got into > it in the first place without the 39% tax bracket. > > Futhermore, while I agree that some people would spend their tax cuts, if they > got the chance, the ones paying most of the tax are also probably better able > to manage their money and would be more inclined to save/invest or reduce > debt. That should have a positive effect on the economy and everyone would > benefit. > > I think there is too much prevalence of the "tax those filthy rich bastards" > mentality in the NZ psyche. > > Todd. > > On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:41, Phil Scadden wrote: > >>> The point is that at 40% of GDP the govt is the biggest spender, also we >>> have huge increase in >>> bureaucracy which tightens the the labour market. >>> >> And doesn't this simply reflect WHO is spending the money? The government >> is not borrowing to fund spending. The alternative would be tax cuts. do >> you think the people getting the tax cuts are less inclined to spend than >> the people who getting the money via government spending? I agree that >> growth of central government size is a worry but in perspective, the >> increase is small. >> >> >>> For all the resource the government has at it >>> disposal no-one has categorically stated what is fueling the housing >>> market, tho I suspect it is >>> (in Auckland anyway) migration coupled with shortage of supply which >>> no-one politically wants to admit >>> >> And in South it is wealthy amercans buying up land for variety of reasons. >> I agree migration is issue. I also find that its impossible to find >> suitable people inside NZ so of course we are bringing more immigrants in. >> But we could lose the speculators thank you. >> >> >>> As for KS, do i want to sign away 8%-12% of my income for the next 10+ >>> years into badly managed funds >>> >> Is there a well managed fund? Some of the offering look pretty competitive. >> I am still making by mind but it seems that with combination of other >> investments and KS, this has to be worth looking at. If the funds dont >> do well, then time for holiday. however I am only 15 years out from >> retirement so pretty much got that sorted. >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------- >> Phil Scadden, GNS Science Ltd >> 764 Cumberland St, Private Bag 1930, Dunedin, New Zealand >> Ph +64 3 4799663, fax +64 3 477 5232 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NZ Borland Developers Group Offtopic mailing list >> Post: Offtopic@delphi.org.nz >> Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/offtopic >> Unsubscribe: send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: >> unsubscribe >> > _______________________________________________ > NZ Borland Developers Group Offtopic mailing list > Post: Offtopic@delphi.org.nz > Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/offtopic > Unsubscribe: send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe > > _______________________________________________ NZ Borland Developers Group Offtopic mailing list Post: Offtopic@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/offtopic Unsubscribe: send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe _______________________________________________ NZ Borland Developers Group Offtopic mailing list Post: Offtopic@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/offtopic Unsubscribe: send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: unsubscribe
