John Beck wrote:
> Ben> [many valid but lesser points elided]
>
> Ben> As I have historically, so do I also now, believe in a strong OGB and
> Ben> a strong constitution.  I do not believe that this draft establishes
> Ben> either.  Furthermore, I see no advantages in this new document as
> Ben> opposed to the existing.
>
> The way I see it, the old document was too complex for the sort of community
> we've been trying to have, so we greatly simplified it.  As a side-effect of
> that simplification, the OGB has less to do.  It would be fair to say that
> we are thus weakening the OGB and the constitution; *I* would characterize
> that as secondary rather primary, though reasonable people can disagree.
>
> Let me try an analogy from a separate world that some of us share.  In the Old
> Testament, God established the Law to give people a way to live in community.
> But the Law was complex and hard; the people were not capable of keeping it,
> so eventually God had to send a Divine Intercessor to save them from their
> sins.  Well, we tried a complex set of laws to govern *this* community, but
> found that they were also more than people could really live up to.  Since
> we lack divine power, we're left with the earthly option of simplifying our
> governance instead.

As a theologian and as a fellow brother in Christ, I would love to
debate this with you, but I'll do so in private. :)


I think the more applicable analogy of this division comes from American
history.  For all intents a purposes I am a Federalist, whereas many
others are Republicans (please, I'm using 1780 historical terminology,
not modern day politics).

While the republic model is simplistic, it is also chaotic and
unbalanced.  Similar to Adams (although not as far as Hamilton) I
believe that a strong central (federal) government provides a more
robust and equal framework on which to hang communities, projects, etc. 

Drawing from the same analogy... one of the most important functions of
the federal government, aside from binding the republic together, is to
speak in a unified voice to foreign governments.  In our case thats SMI. 

The bonds between the community and SMI must be formalized and
strengthened.  THIS is what we lack, not simplicity in a document which
is ignored by anyone who is displeased by it, whether @sun.com is in
their email address or not.

Consider... OpenSolaris.org is independent of OpenSolaris the
distribution.  I, as a community member, have no say with regard to our
product.  Even as a member of the board.  I can contribute to projects,
I can represent the community, but our constitution defines us as a
social organization, even in the most recent reincarnation... nothing
more. 

To be blunt, I don't think the community has a real stake in
OpenSolaris.  It is still SMI run, SMI controlled, and even this body is
allowed to continue at the discression of SMI.


I wish to interject at this point a word of caution.  Phrases such as
"despite our flaws" suggests ill will.  I bear no such ill will to
anyone.  We are all reasonable and intelligent individuals with the best
intentions for OpenSolaris, and dare I say SMI as a whole, in mind. 
While I wish with all my heart that we were of one mind, I have an
obligation, as you will understand John, to do that which is before me
with the fullness of my ability, and that shall I do even if its
unpopular. 

With respect,
benr.

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