Stephen Hahn wrote:
>   You keep using the term "forum".  You can't mean a mailing list and
>   web pages, because projects have those facilities as well.
I mean forum in a "place to bring folks who aren't working together (and 
in the open) together" sense. Code and repositories could be one 
organizing principle. Shared technical interests (e.g. SIGs) could be 
another. In our case, I could see how a PM community would be a place 
where higher level architectural issues could be worked...and the 
individual projects would work towards implementing that larger 
architecture. Within Sun, a power management forum already exists to 
bring together and facilitate alignment between PM project teams across 
the company. Such a forum on OS.o could bring about similar goodness 
between those same participants, and the broader community.

>   I can only
>   assume you are really hoping for "exclusive or sole forum".  Of
>   course, a CG doesn't get you exclusivity--by design, since we've
>   already seen that at times, due to lack of interest, CGs die out, and
>   their goals get partially assumed by individuals in other CGs.
>   
I'm not really sure what you mean here. I think it's appropriate that 
the community have a purpose (or charter) and some goals, and those 
would be defined by the contributers making up the community, which are 
those doing the work. I don't think Randy's proposal means to create an 
exclusive club...quite the opposite. The purpose is to facilitate 
bringing various disparate efforts out in the open, facilitate 
collaboration and hopefully some alignment. As the community grows I 
fully expect that the goals would evolve too.

>   I think that, if exclusivity or highlighting is what you're after,
>   then we should wait for the Board to come up with some kind of special
>   interest group tag for projects or mail aliases.  I'm a strong -1 on
>   yet another source of Core Contributor grants for work that will end
>   up in ON.  I'm also a -1 on an Emancipation CG for these reasons (as
>   well as not understanding how to evaluate contributions to
>   Emancipation work that don't ever end up in a mainline source tree or
>   a distro)
>   
I get the sense that in discussing this proposal, you are really talking 
about things outside the scope of this proposal. I understand that there 
is an evolving discussion around community simplification, and that you 
are considering this proposal in the context of that evolving 
discussion, which is fine, but I don't think Randy or myself are after 
anything nefarious here. :)

-Eric

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