Hey, This is hopefully the last of the meeting minutes to catch up - again, OGB members, feel free to reply inline with comments, given that I didn't send these to ogb-private before hand.
Glynn == OGB Meeting Minutes :: 20th February 2008 Present: Alan, Ben, Casper, Glynn, Steve, Rich Absent: Keith Other: Simon Phipps, John Plocher (:15), Brian Gupta (:15) Recording: http://dlc.sun.com/osol/ogb/audio-recordings/ogb-meeting-20-02-2008.mp3 1) Annual Meeting and Elections John Plocher sent out a mail on the 29th January, summarizing the OGB accomplishments of the year. Rich asked if John's email was sufficient of an annual report, or whether it needed more work. Ben suggested that one or more members of the OGB should go over it. Steve added that it wouldn't cover anything past the end of January. ACTION: Steve and Ben to take on the ownership of producing the annual report. Steve will take a first pass, and send to Ben to review. A few people have been nominated for the elections, but not yet accepted. Glynn will track the nominations as OGB secretary. Simon suggested the use of defect.opensolaris.org as a possible forum for tracking this, so it didn't have to rely on a single person to do this. Other communities had successfully used this as a general issue tracker, and Simon advised its use for constitutional amendments. ACTION: Glynn to add a new category to defect.opensolaris.org to allow tracking of these types of issues. Ben asked who will chair the members meeting. Rich commented that it would be him, but didn't expect to hang around all the time. Steve added that would be fine, and once the meeting had opened we could let the bot record people enter the channel. Glynn said that the channel and logging bot had been setup. The channel name is #opensolaris-meeting on irc.freenode.net. Simon suggested there would be some constitutional amendments happening soon, and asked what process would be used to triage those. Steve asked if the default QA contact should be ogb-discuss. Alan added that it could be a watch alias, rather than necessarily the mailing list itself. Steve asked what the process was for putting amendments onto the ballot. Simon pointed Steve at #555, outlining that there was no current process for including them. Simon has suggested that prior to the annual meeting, we put forward the process of proposing constitutional amendments with, say, 3 +1's from Members and no -1's within a period of 5 days to get on to the ballot. Simon also proposed that constitutional amendments only happened during the Members meeting and any Special meetings, and that discussion should take place on the Core Contributors mailing list. Ben asked if a link from bugs.opensolaris.org could point to defect.opensolaris.org as many people didn't know about the existance of the latter. ACTION: Glynn to ping Derek about adding a link on bugs.opensolaris.org to defect.opensolaris.org 2) OGB Response to Trademark Statement Rich commented that more people in the community than not are looking for a response from the OGB. Rich has drafted a private draft for discussion. Steve asked if this was a motion to vote on responding with this draft, or whether it was just to respond generally. Ben mentioned that several OGB members had already made public comments about the situation, and asked if a OGB statement would be worth it. Steve commented that it would still be good to have an OGB response, as liaisons of the community involved in discussion with Sun. Rich added that this was the most controversial topic of the year, and deserved a response. John commented that any statement would be representative of the community rather than the collection of the OGB members, and is concerned if the opinions are different. Steve added that we needed to be careful for the proportion of silent members who may or may not agree with the statement. Casper commented that it would be hard to speak for everyone, and that opinions were divided on this, and that all that could be done would be to summarize the situation. Steve replied that OGB were the elected representatives of the community. Rich added that he also wanted to be considerate of the Sun employed OGB members while writing the response. John commented that he suggested it would be good to have a response for past actions and future wishes, and that the community was expecting to see the latter especially. Brian asked if the initial founding principles of an independent community seperate to Sun's business objectives was still a valid and achievable goal, and whether it is a goal we're striving to further, or back away from. The OGB voted on whether it should issue a statement in response to Sun's statement, with the content not yet defined - Agree: Alan, Ben, Casper, Glynn, Steve, Rich Ben asked if the statement could include a broader set of issues, or kept as close as possible to the topic in question. Alan agreed that it could include the independence issue. Casper didn't mind either way. Glynn commented that he would prefer to keep the statement simple, and would like to have further discussions with Sun rather than surprise them with issues that they may or may not be aware of. Steve is ok with a few lines with a wider scope, but felt that an official OGB statement should be simple so as not to confuse the issues. Rich agreed with Steve, and suggested that less is more in this occasion. Steve suggested that a follow up statement to address the broader issues would be appropriate. Simon suggested that the community needed to be led forward and out of the current situation, and how you did that depended on whether there was further discussions with Sun to be had. John added that a large part of this was leading the community out of this, and encouraged the OGB members to make some decisions on this. Steve asked if there was going to be further discussion on the draft. Rich agreed that that was sensible, and asked if the discussion should be on the public list or ogb-private. Steve commented that it would probably be more focused on ogb-private for the moment. John suggested that it would not be inappropriate to include Bill Franklin in the discussion. Ben felt there was not likely to be any further negotiations on the matter with Sun, and that it was now OGB's responsibility to respond to that statement. ACTION: Rich to continue discussion on ogb-private around the OGB reponse to Sun's trademark statement.
