> People act like Indiana is the hugely different thing. It really isn't. > > It's essentially just ON + IPS + configuration + a lot of hard work + > and a few component changes
With a packaging system that the community largely had no input into. WIth a name that the community largely has no control over. That is breaking with a lot of established conventions, asserting that it is the "new core" of the community, and generally behaving extremely poorly. No one should be terribly surprised that members of the community are loudly complaining; the Indiana and IPS teams have been engaging in some major political machinations, and generally done a poor job of negotiating with the other people in the community who have an interest in the overall direction of the project. I admit that major modifications to the packaging system are a good thing to experiment with; I also fully agree that a usable and useful reference distribution is a good idea. What I don't agree with is backroom dealings and the 'habit' of certain segments of just failing to communicate. I think our ombudsman probably needs to yell and scream a lot more. :-) Shawn: clearly you seem to be receiving different information than the rest of us about Sun's planning and pending deals. Who's your source, so that the rest of us can either coerce that person into communicating more frequently with the rest of the community, or so that we can help Sun plug its "leak"? Shareholder liability. We as a community have to be very careful that we don't support a dictatorial model in which the community as a whole gets backed into an escape-proof corner by a large corporate entity. A lot of things are going on that, frankly, give me the chills. --elijah
