+1 I like your proposal Michal, and I think it would be of great value to the community.
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 3:37 AM, Michal Bielicki <michal.bielicki at voiceworks.pl> wrote: > Shawn Walker wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 3:13 AM, Michal Bielicki > > <michal.bielicki at voiceworks.pl> wrote: > > > >> Summary > >> The OpenSolaris community could profit a lot from a new Community Group > >> that would coordinate and organize the multitude of efforts to port > >> software to the OpenSolaris Platform, without actually changing their > >> scopes or behaviors, but creating a central space where any interested > >> party can find each and all needed so he can port software, port > >> drivers, find ported software etc .. > >> > > > > I don't think you want to state "without actually changing their > > scopes or behaviours." > > > > For example, it could be said that some software to operate correctly > > on OpenSolaris may need some changes that make its behaviour > > different. > > > I am not saying that we don't want to influence the developers to make > their stuff more compatible, I am just saying that we in no way want > to try to convince blastwave for example to change their dependency > model as some other people would liek to do. Port like you see fit, we want > to create a community that will try to help with knowhow, links, > pointers, tools etc fr you to be able to do your stuff your way. > > > Likewise, you may need to add additional pieces to it to accommodate > > SMF, ZFS, etc. > > > > I think it would be preferable to state, "that wold provide a > > Community Group for members to collaborate on the porting of software > > to the OpenSolaris platform." > > > Yes, my original sentence is probably less clear :) > > > > >> Scope > >> The proposed Software Porters Community Group shall be the group that > >> coordinates, advocates, encourages and helps with the porting of > >> Software from multiple Platforms to the OpenSolaris Platform. This is > >> neither a proposal for a new packaging system, nor for a new collection > >> of software (therefore it neither is something like blastwave, nor in > >> its core the same like the migration community suggestion which both > >> want to work on specific ways of porting/packaging). Its a proposal to > >> create a community of porters, advocates and advisors that will help > >> people who want to port software, advise them, create documentation and > >> maintain links and resources about the many different places you can > >> find information and ported software. This will be handled in a way that > >> shall be independent of religion and politics regarding amongst others > >> the way packages are done o if sunstudio or gcc are the better way to do > >> things. > >> > > > > Once ported, then, where would this software be available from? > > Perhaps this CG should seek to work with other CGs to provide a > > package repository for the ported software to be distributed from? > > > That depends. The initial idea is to get more people to do porting, and > make porting easier. If it comes to distribution, yes we where thinking > of a cg repo, as well as getting some people to sponsor cpu cycles for > testing and packaging for example. On the other hand if a porter is > part of SFE, blastwave, sunfreeware.org he probably prefers his results > there, which is fine with us. We want to help him get his > port done and publish his experiences on our portal so that the next guy > will have it easier if he chooses to take the same approach. > We DONT want to tell people, hey this is the only right way. We rather > want to say, ok you can use our ressources, but hey we will help and > encourage you > the same should you choose any of the non opensolaris.org core porting > projects. > > > Or is the intent here to state that this CG does not perform any of > > the actual porting work? > > > It would be more like the umbrella that keeps the info, ressources and > knowhow pooled for all the porting efforts, and help others join. Its a > bit like > merging porters per se and porting advcacy int a central space while > trying to keep everybody happy, which of course will be tricky but is > the right way to go. > THe ultimate would of course be to merge all the projects that create > larger porting work into one, but I am not sure if that is necessary if > we create a central space that > links to all of them and is the platform of communication and knowhow > ressources for all of them. > > > > >> Proposal > >> The core of this proposal is to: > >> > >> Create a Software Porters Community Group > >> Create a Software Porters Information Portal (the central place for > >> everything porting to solaris) > >> Start evangelizing porting to OpenSolaris at FOSS and non FOSS > >> conferences and shows. > >> That the following individuals be considered for the initial set of core > >> contributors (all have been asked and confirmed their readynes to become > >> core contributors): > >> > >> Michal Bielicki (cypromis) > >> Damian Wojslaw (trochej) > >> Michal Pryc (migi) > >> Michael Jerris (mjerris) > >> > >> > >> > >> Proposed Contributor List: > >> > >> Kristopher Januszajtis-Neale > >> Ed Pimentel > >> Alexander Feldman > >> Jay Fenton (jfenton) > >> > > > > Who is the proposed facilitator for the group? (i.e. the person who > > would communicate the status of the CG to the OGB, be responsible for > > submitting approved projects to the Project Herald, etc.). > > > me for the time being, until the core group would elect someone. > > > If you can clarify the purpose of this CG a bit further; I would be > > willing to vote in favour of it. > > > I ope I clarified it a bit. My reply took a bit longer cause I was at > FOSDEM and only touched my notebook between 5-8 am for the last days :) > > > I just need to know if the purpose of this CG is to actually sponsor > > projects to do porting work, or if it merely seeks to coordinate the > > efforts of other CGs. > > > > > Its more a CG that would create a lot of projects. That is one of the > reasons I saw it more as a community while also the coordinatin work, ie > information exchange, discussion platform etc would interact for sure > with any ther community that involve itself into porting so it would > hardly fit one single community as a project. > > > If the latter; then this CG might be better done as a project of an > > existing CG instead of as its own CG. > > > > I am uncertain at the moment. > > > > Cheers, > > > > > -- > > -- > Michal Bielicki > CEO > http://www.voiceworks.pl/ > Voice Works Sp. z o.o. z siedziba w Warszawie przy ulicy Polnej 46/14, > 00-644 Warszawa, Polska > wpisana zostala do rejestru przedsiebiorcow prowadzonego przez > Sad Rejonowy dla M.ST.Warszawy w Warszawie, > XII Wydzial Krajowego Rejestru Sadowego pod numerem KRS 0000257259. > NIP 701-00-25-117 > Wysokosc kapitalu zakladowego: 51000,00 PLN > > _______________________________________________ > > > ogb-discuss mailing list > ogb-discuss at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/ogb-discuss > -- PGP Public Key 0x437AF1A1 Available on hkp://pgp.mit.edu
