On 24/09/2007, Darren Reed <Darren.Reed at sun.com> wrote: > Keith M Wesolowski wrote: > > > ... > > > >>http://blogs.sun.com/avalon/entry/manufacturing_a_community > >> > > > >I'm going to read this a few more times before responding. You seem > >very angry, and some of what you've written appears at first blush to > >consist of non sequitors. But I'll keep trying. In the meantime, is > >there some concrete problem you're facing that we should be looking > >into, or at least know about to have some context. > > > > In short, the OpenSolaris community hasn't built itself or sat > down and thought about what structure is best for it. And we;ve > now got a structure where various groups are uninterested in > change because it might mean that they are "demoted" from > being a community because there is a perception that being one > is a good thing or means you are important or.... > > Compare, for example, the decision to have communities for > ZFS and SMF with that for security and networking. On the > one hand you have two (ongoing) projects within Sun, on the > other you have two communities of people with lots of different > projects involved. The problem we have is that there's only > one level or way to represent a group here: as a community. > > But who made all of the decisions about this? Sun. > Not the OpenSolaris community.
The community ratified the constitution, they didn't have to. The community elected the ogb, they didn't have to. You could argue that there needs to be more non-Sun folks that have voting privileges, but those Sun folks are still part of the community. Not only that, it was an absolute disappointment that so few of the people that could vote ended up doing so. Sun hasn't made all the decisions. I'm sure many of us would like to see something better. I'm sure many of us would like the community to live on it's own. However, as you well know, the OpenSolaris community didn't grow in a typical open-source "organic" fashion since what it is centered around was a very mature project already before it became an open one. Given the absolute turmoil and cost to Sun on the inside, I think folks like Jim G. and many others at Sun have done a great job in helping to open internal processes and encourage the growth of a community. Nonetheless, I think everyone can agree that things should and can be improved. -- Shawn Walker, Software and Systems Analyst binarycrusader at gmail.com - http://binarycrusader.blogspot.com/ "Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it. " --Donald Knuth
