I wonder what value opensolaris-discuss has? I've never bothered to
read it, except occasionally when searching for a specific post that was
not cross posted. I've always assumed that the signal/noise ratio there
was so high as to make it untenable as a useful resource.
I remember long ago, when Linux finally gave up the mailing lists and
moved to USENIX. I'm not sure everyone around here remembers what
USENIX is anymore (its been ages since I've bothered with it), but maybe
comp.os.opensolaris (or a hierarchy) needs to be created.
The other question is, if no real productive conversations are happening
there, then what is the point of having it at all? I imagine that some
folks are looking for support with their problems, but perhaps a
-support list would be better suited to _that_ need?
-- Garrett
Christopher Frost wrote:
> It's been brought to my attention both from others within the community,
> as well as those who are outside our community, and of course myself,
> that a few changes should be made. These changes reflect the
> opensolaris-discuss mailing list, and it's position within our
> community.
>
> 1) The opensolaris-discuss should have a warning label placed on it,
> regarding to the ill-natured conversations which very frequently occur
> there. Something to the nature of "The text within this list will very
> possibly waste your time, and what you will read here is by no means a
> reflection of our community, or the members here." In red, if I may add.
> Some effort should be given to push users to proper lists to ask their
> questions, or get an introduction of what they are getting into. Perhaps
> even use a feature of jive to introduce a minimal post count before
> entering this list, perhaps have it not visible from pipermail as well.
>
> -This list is usually one of the lists MOST frequently approached by our
> newcomers, and 9 times out of 10 lays on a very bad impression of our
> community and it's members.
>
> -I had dinner with some software developers last Friday, and this is
> exactly what had happened to them, this had to have been the 4th or 5th
> time I've heard the exact same thing from potential developers. Is this
> the kind of welcoming we are trying to give?
>
> 2) To further stress the importance of limiting this list, I think it
> should be scripted into the mailing-list that if opensolaris-discuss
> exists, no other forum can be addressed. To keep the filth from seeping
> out over the borders.
>
> 3) The community opensolaris-discuss may not, and should not be involved
> in any community related processes, to push the issue even further that
> we do not want constructive processes being squeezed in with the other
> topics. I've seen it time and time again, "opensolaris-discuss really
> isn't the place for constructive conversation", and it's true.
> opensolaris-discuss is not a community group, it shouldn't be able to
> sponsor projects, and none should be proposed within it. Announcements
> should not be made within opensolaris-discuss, and community support
> should NOT be sought within it either.
>
>
> If these three concerns are dealt with, there may be a chance for our
> community after all. But, until something is done about the spread of
> negative energy, and the unwelcoming .. welcome our visitors and
> potential developers are getting, we will be just be tying our
> shoe-laces together.
>
> Thank You,
> Christopher Frost
>
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