John Plocher <John.Plocher at Sun.COM> wrote:
> [trimmed off os-discuss, probably should also trim off ogb-discuss]
>
> Joerg Schilling wrote:
> > It is just another chance to verify that there is collaboration on
> > OpenSolaris
> > and not just ignorant domination from Sun.....
> >
> > Do we have an OpenSolaris community or is this just a fake?
> >
> > The real compare is 20 years older and I did _warn_ _before_ the name
> > appeared
> > in /usr/bin. For this reason, this is an important bug in Solaris Express.
>
> Where is the ARC case that proposed that OpenSolaris adopt your compare?
This is not needed as we defined that conflicting names are not allowed
to appear in /usr/bin. This is important as otherwise /usr/bin cannot be
"early" in PATH.
> When did you integrate your "compare" into the source tree(s) maintained on
> OpenSolaris.org? Have you taken your (fantastic!) work on Schillix and
> made it part of what we are doing here in OS.o-land? Have you figured out
> how to get others to follow your lead?
SchilliX was and still is an offer to the community.
An offer to take the free bits and an offer for collaboration.
When did you take this offer and started collaboration?
> From my perspective, you (still) have an independent distro that harvested
> the work done here on OS.o and added your own infrastructure, tools and
> missing parts - and didn't manage to get the work done to merge those
> changes and additions back into any OS.o code base(s).
This looks a bit skewed.... I did create SchilliX at a time when nobody
would believe that it is possible to create a free distribution from the ON
bits. All free distributions harvested the work from SchilliX but the offer
for collaboration was never acceepted. Why?
> Because you have not (yet?) managed to do this, your distro is slowly
> diverging from the ongoing work being done on OS.o; worse, the rest of OS.o
> has been forced to reinvent much of your work just to get a stand-alone,
> self-hosted distro off the ground.
Because you did not manage to create sufficient collaboration, we have a lot
of discussions in the OpenSolaris related mailing lists that are all a result
of similar missconceptions to this one.
> One of the joys of doing your own distro is that you don't need to interact
> with anyone else before you do your own thing; one of the downsides is that,
> because you are independent, other people don't do things your way. You
> can't really have it both ways.
I am sorry to see that you don't seem to be interested in interaction.
Missing colaboration and interaction may soon kill the interest in OpenSolaris.
A community is doing things in common. I hope that this knowledge will
arrive some time here too.
We need rules that are accpeted if we like to continue OpenSolaris.
I did warn loud enough in time that /usr/bin cannot be a junk yard for
programs because of already known name cashes. Now my warnings have been
ignored and we see problems that are a result of unfriendly habbit and that
cannot be worked around except with potting /opt/schily/bin before /usr/bin.
This is something I don't like to do. Many action on Solaris done in the close
past caused Solaris to become unplanned and make it hard to see a red thread
behind. Adding free software in an unplanned way does not help people, it
confuses people.
In former times, all programs on Solaris have been planned and initiated by Sun.
This is no longer true and it is iportant that we find a method to add free
software from various sources in a way that does not cause problems.
J?rg
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