On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 1:26 AM, Octave Orgeron <unixcons...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi Peter, > > I totally agree on the need to involve the community in the future design of > OpenSolaris. I'd even go so far as to say that the community should be > involved in creating an official OpenSolaris Standard the defines a whole > range of things (packaging, proper locations for things, interfaces, etc.). > Plus the community should be involved in setting the roadmap for OpenSolaris. > Empowering the community like that will go a long way to getting developers > involved. > > *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* > Octave J. Orgeron > Solaris Virtualization Architect and Consultant > Web: http://unixconsole.blogspot.com > E-Mail: unixcons...@yahoo.com > *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
Hello Octave, if you want all that, then you also need a plan, who develops what, if something. Who is the community? Everybody registered on a mailing list, who maybe doesn't contribute anything to the project, other than 2 or 3 rants per year? Or the rare spare-time code-contributors? Then their number is too small, and their time is too little. I'm not just talking about putting new existing stuff from existing OSS projects into the mix. That could all be done in the scope of a distribution. But if you look at the pushes into - for example - OS/Net, who do you think will be able or willing to match that in even remotely similar quality, amount and speed? _Who_? In the past I myself had demanded all those things. It was at a time, when Sun still claimed to have 4 billions in cash, during their NC webcasts. When USIIIi+, USV and Rock were still on the roadmaps, and when AMD_Opteron was faster, than what Intel had to offer at that time. When the economy seemed to flourish. It was at a time, when there had been more code contributors than today! Despite the project still being so fresh. And especially: The project was very young, and there had been plenty of hope, more real kernel engineers, driver developers and such would join the community. I do agree with you, Joerg, Moinak, some others (as you all now from my posts of the recent years), that Sun has handled _many_ things in a sub-optimal fashion. That top-management primarily saw OpenSolaris as an easy marketing tool. That Sun's top-management used the believers and enthusiastic evangelists of us like a screwdriver. But if you demand all those rights, then you need at least sokme power to enforce it from Oracle. But how much power does the community (whatever this is) have? No power at all. * Oracle runs all sites * Oracle owns the code and could change it to a closed license every minute at will (then we still have the available CDDL code and can talk again how we build an Oracle-free project with it) * Oracle pays the developers all over the place. How many percent are from external contributors? More than 0.5%? So please, when considering all that, please let''s stay realistic in terms of what we realistically would be able to to. Or do you want, that OpenSolaris stays at level snv_137 for eternity? What about integrating support for new hardware technologies into the kernel, such as USB3.0? Not sure if bootable iSCSI is already implemented. Also EFI support for Grub. What about finishing ZFS encryption support? The list is so long. Oracle does all that for us. Could we few folks really do all that? Even if just a qustion of quantity per member, if would still be out of the question. If somebody branches off OS/Net, then Oracle will definitely close all gates, on all levels. If the community wants its *own* reference distro, then I am on your side. Then the community can define all those variables. An elected governing board, such as the existing OGB to some extent, should become the facilitator for this. And I believe, this would make all involved parties happier. But branching off SunOS is insane at this peaceful point. Thoughts? %mab _______________________________________________ ogb-discuss mailing list ogb-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/ogb-discuss
