On Sun, 2006-08-13 at 21:13 -0400, Mark Clover wrote:
> The license is quite explicit about claiming compatibility without a  
> separate permission.  No third party logo or OGL logo can claim  
> compatibility to D&D, the d20 license, or anything without a separate  
> agreement.

Agreed. Any such tie would have to be done purely by implication. By
being carried on enough products and being noticed and possibly
evangelized by the group/FLS Mikey.

> There seems to be no doubt on that point but people always bring it up  
> when an alternative to the d20 license is proffered.  Bottom line is  
> always that nothing can replace the d20 license and logo.

That *really* depends upon what you are replacing it with. Is it
supposed to be a drop in replacement? No, that's probably not going to
be possible in any way that doesn't require Hasbro pretending not to
notice (highly unlikely) *or* granting permission ( which if was
terribly likely, we wouldn't be wasting time discussing, would we? )

If the goal is an alternative with similar connotations, but without the
explicit tie to D20, it's certainly doable.

Let's be terribly, painfully real for a moment. Most of us having this
conversation ( Clark excepted ) don't really matter in the big sales
picture and all the evangelizing in the world wouldn't matter on a logo.
The only way a minimally effective alternative could come about would be
for the handful successful D20 companies ( such as, but not limited to,
Green Ronin, AEG, Mongoose, White Wolf ) got together, agreed to a name,
logo, and campaign, and maybe were kind enough to let the rest of us tag
along. An add or two every two or three months for a year in Paizo's
mags would probably go a LONG way in this.

Frankly, I hope something like this is happening, even as a backup plan,
but it looks more like most of those folks are slipping away from "Pure"
D20 and heading off into bolstering their own brands, which makes me..
dubious of their likelihood to cooperate in such a fashion.

Those of us down here in "Woohoo! 500 units in a single YEAR!" land, on
the other hand, really don't have the marketing impact to influence a
blessed thing. Sucks to be us.


> Anyway, the same old replies will now follow to the effect that "it  
> doesn't mean anything" (which I have already explained why it cannot,  
> at least at the outset, other than to indicate that the OGL is in  
> use).  And the other I often have heard in the past is "it doesn't  

It doesn't even indicate that effectively, though. This is a problem.

-- 
David Bolack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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