on a personal note, competition is always good.  But then again, there are those that 
will stick with X or Y no matter what, in that case, the results would be an indicator 
to the developers of either X or Y of where to improve their own implementation--- in 
the spirit of the open source community.
 
-Jacob

        -----Original Message----- 
        From: Max Rydahl Andersen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
        Sent: Tue 4/1/2003 11:55 PM 
        To: Mahler Thomas; 'Max Rydahl Andersen' 
        Cc: OJB Users List (E-Mail) 
        Subject: Re: OJB vs Hibernate
        
        

        Hi Thomas,
        
        > > I could start comparing OJB and Hibernate, I've actually
        > > wanted to do that
        > > for a long time....but I don't have
        > > the time right now (gotta go to work :).....but maybe we
        > > (members of the two
        > > teams) should get together and
        > > make an objective comparison of the two frameworks - at least
        > > on the feature
        > > and philosophical level, just to have
        > > a page to refer this FAQ item to ?
        > >
        >
        > Maybe http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?ObjectRelationalToolComparison is a start?
        >
        > >
        > > I'm thinking of something like:
        > >
        > > OJB does this, how does Hibernate handle that ?
        > > Hibernate does this, how does OBJ handle that ?
        > >
        > > Not just a "OJB got ODMG, Hibernate doesn't" or "Hibernate got
        > > outer/left/right joins, OJB doesn't".
        > > Each team should be able to provide a (small) argument on why it isn't
        > > there,
        > > what's the alternative or when it is comming (or why it is
        > > not comming)....
        > >
        > > And it should not just end up in raw performance comparisons,
        > > mainly because
        > > that has been done
        > > and the SQL generated is more or less equivalent, so it
        > > should not matter
        > > that much.....
        >
        > So the Hibernate site does longer spread the news that it is X times
        faster
        > than "an other well known open source tool" ? ;-)
        
        Yes, and weird claims of the opposite is also not allowed ;)
        
        > >
        > > What do you say ?
        >
        > Sounds like a good idea. But who is going to to all the necessary
        research?
        > Personally I don't have enough time....
        
        I would like to take off from
        http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?ObjectRelationalToolComparison and
        make a page where the two items is compared to each other on their merits
        and with arguments,
        not just simple yes and no's. (it will probably be simple yes and no's in
        the start, but as time progress
        it should be able to evolve ;)   ... and by taking off from the wiki page
        other frameworks might chip in...but
        in the begining I would just like two compare 2 similar and different
        frameworks instead of N similar and different frameworks ;)
        
        /max
        
        > cheers,
        > Thomas
        >
        >
        > >
        > > Best regards,
        > > Max
        > > Hibernate developer (which also knows OJB :)
        > >
        > > > cheers,
        > > > Thomas
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > Thank You,
        > > > >
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        > > > > Web Manager
        > > > > Shake Learning Resource Center
        > > > > Vincennes University
        > > > > (812)888-5813
        > > > >
        > > > >
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