Robert Sfeir dijo: > Win what? :-) > > The whole thing about java and open source is choice, there is no winner. > Yes there could be more adopters, and yes some of the Hibernate stuff will > end up in EJB 3.0, but in the end EJB is EJB, and the complexity of it all > is not for every project. OJB is for every project, it's lightweight and > follows existing standards, Hibernate doesn't, and EJB 3 is a ways out. > > If EJB 3 is Hibernate, good let Hibernate go to the dogs with EJB3 and in > the end OJB will be around for people like most of us on here who really > don't want to deal with the layers EJB brings along.
Hi Robert and all: I know you recently wrote an article about OJB. As you remember, I also send a post to TSS, but was never published. The reason why they decided to not publish, is obscure to me. But amazing is that, after I ranting at TSS a new Cocoon article that I posted a link few days before my public rant, was published! The OJB article never. I will try to post it again. The "win" expression is a metaphore. For some people (including me), english is not our first language and it is hard to express correctly what we think in your language. In the literal sense of "win", maybe there are no winners expressed in a cash income. I think even in OS there are winners too. ie: The Apache httpd project is a winner. It is used for more than 60% of web servers in the world and not just because it is free. And is perceived also as a winner. A winner in the same sense when you win a race in the school. You don't receive a money (or nothing) for your victory, but you are happy of that. You feel as a winner. In the same sense, I think we need to let developers know that here is a wonderful project called OJB. I think Open Source projects also need publicity (as your article) and more links to OJB in the web. I already do little efforts about that. I will be glad to see more OJB users. I have also concerns that the Open Source world is become very political. Today I hear more often hear people saying that "because of politics" things go this way. I think it damage the overall OS communities. I think that the big commercial player have a big share in that. They need to protect own products. But maybe I am wrong here. As a sample, see the votation against JDO in JCP. While we are talking about all this, I also wanted to tell that EJB3 is often perceived as a big slow and complex. In cotrast, there are many lightweight containers that already probed to be good enough in a far easier way. And that is important too. OJB have a place there too! Weeks ago, I sent a mail to jdocentral requesting for a change in the link to OJB. They had an old link there. On the mail I explained OJB developing a JDO RI. The answer received from David Jordan was: "I hope OJB becomes fully compliant with JDO soon. MANY are wanting this as an open source alternative. Many have said they will not consider the commercial offerings until such an open source implementation is also available." So we have a challenge, many people outhere is waiting for us! :-D Best Regards, Antonio Gallardo. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
