All, This has been an interesting thread. I was tempted to rename it to, "How to kill a good idea." :)
First, I want to say that I think OJB is a great O/R framework and I really appreciate the careful thought, thorough design, and hard work that the contributors and related community have put into it. The documentation and example code that exist today have enabled our team to learn how to use OJB AND to deploy a major application into a production environment. It works great!!! Thank you. However, I agree that it would be in everyone's best interest to make it easier for general users (less-technical developers) to come up to speed quickly on OJB. I think it is a critical component of *one of the next* stages in the maturation process of this project. While I shudder to think of the horrible designs and less-than-perfect uses of OJB that are possible by less-technical developers, this segment of the user community remains very important to the success of OJB... as is proven out by major closed source products. I think good progress has been made due to this very request, but I think, as Ilias is attempting to communicate, more needs to be done to make it simpler. I would suggest, since this component is focused on less-technical folks, that it would developed by less-technical-, more-training-oriented people that have learned the technology. Do we have some of those type of people on the list? (I'm sorry to say that I'm not one of them.) Any thoughts? Any ideas? The benefit that Hibernate has right now is the access they have to JBoss' bank account; they can employ training-oriented people to develop these components. Ilias, I really don't want to offend you, so please do not take my suggestions as such. First of all, you really need to be willing to read the responses to your requests carefully. You have been given much help in this thread... some of which you seem unwilling to acknowledge. Secondly, you must be willing to work within the current culture of the group. Right now, thankfully, it is a very technical-oriented group. I don't believe it is rude for them to expect you to be willing to learn other technologies, such as ant, CVS, java, etc. If it is something you are not willing to do, you may not be in the right place at the right time. The fact is that the QUICKSTART doesn't exist in the form you want. If you are unwilling, or unable, to put in the time to learn the technology, I would suggest you may not be the right person to develop the QUICKSTART. I think you have honorable intentions, but am not sure about your willingness or ability to make good on them through hard work. Sincerely, Mitch ---------------------------------- The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this communication in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message.
