On 3/15/2011 5:00 PM, Richard Light wrote:

> In message<[email protected]>, Lee Passey
> <[email protected]>  writes
>
>> /No/ link is an identifier, except coincidentally. Whoever suggested
>> that URLs could be identifiers, and that URIs should look like URLs but
>> not be locaters should be scorned and ridiculed incessantly.
>
> That'll be Sir Tim BL, then, and the Linked Data principles?  Or is it
> just non-dereferenceable identifier URLs you hate?

If it's non-dereferenceable then it's not a URL. If it refers to an 
identifiable resource (verbatim copies of which may exist simultaneously 
at different locations on the internet), and there is an implied 
agreement that the identifier will be used exclusively and permanently 
to reference that resource, then it's a URI.

A reference that meets the syntactical requirement of both systems is 
possible, and this is where we engender confusion. A reference may 
/look/ like a URL but not be one, because the web context has changed or 
it was never intended to be one in the first place. A reference may 
/look/ like a URI but not be one, because the resource pointed to may be 
in a constant state of flux, or be replaced on a regular basis (the URL 
of a blog is certainly not a URI of the content).

If an identifier begins with an indicator of a web protocol (http:, 
ftp:, snmp:, nnp:, ldap:, etc.) I assume it is a URL, and because the 
internet is dynamic I will also assume that it is /not/ a URI because of 
the fluidity of the internet. I could be wrong on both points, but I 
have no way of knowing without trying. I have found only one way of 
determining whether an identifier is a URI: Google it, and see if anyone 
is talking about it as though it were a URI (not very amenable to 
automated data processes).

What I hate is a system where an identifier cannot be distinguished 
between the two roles, leading even people like you to be confused about 
the two. Somewhere, someone took the notion of the Universal Resource 
Locator (as URLs were known in the Good Old Days) and said, "let's take 
the URL syntax and repurpose it to become Uniform Resource Identifiers. 
Sometimes a URI might be a URL, and that's close enough for government 
work." To misquote Garrison Keillor, "URLs and URIs are like the color 
green and the letter 'e'; sometimes you see a green 'e', but you learn 
not to expect it."
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