Ben, looking at this again, I do think that what's happening is that 1. you search for a publisher who is the publisher of an edition 2. you select a "book" from the search results - which actually represents the Work, not the specific edition 2. the timeline is populated by all of the editions of the Work of which one edition is by that publisher. Therefore, with the Paul Bunyan, what you see there are all of the editions of Paul Bunyan of which just one is the Juriaen van Poolsum 3. the dates come from the editions, since a Work doesn't have a date nor a publisher
So this is a problem caused by the fact that a search on a data element that is specific to an edition retrieves the Work level and all of the editions related to that work. (Note that a Work includes translations, so the resulting set will have books in various languages.) If, instead, you search on an ISBN you are taken directly to the Edition. The publisher search and display should also go directly to the Edition. kc On 12/30/12 11:38 AM, Ben Companjen wrote: > Hi Karen, > > Thanks for your answer (and the link). If I understand correctly, you > are saying that the editions of other imprints of the same > publisher/company are included and that these are determined by the > ISBNs (if possible). > > I don't think it works this way - I believe publishers are indexed > only by the contents of the "publisher" field. > Let's take the same imprint, but the year 1684 [3]. That yields 2 > works, one of which is Pilgrim's progress by John Bunyan [4]. If I > sort the 338 editions by "edition" (year + publisher), I see that the > 1684 edition [5] imprint is "Gedruckt by Juriaen van Poolsum ..." > (Dutch! :)). There are American Tract Society editions from 1830 [6] > and 1840 [7]. > > In these editions no ISBNs are involved and Juriaen van Poolsum is > (probably) not related to the ATS in any way. > > The problem may be more clear if you look at the record for "Gedruckt > by Juriaen van Poolsum ..." [8]: one work, but so many editions > published between 1678 and 2009 - impossible. > > Ben > > [3] > http://openlibrary.org/publishers/American_tract_society#sort=edition_count&published_in=1684 > [4] http://openlibrary.org/works/OL107195W/Pilgrim%27s_progress > [5] > <http://openlibrary.org/books/OL20633079M/Eens_Christens_reyse_na_da_eeuwigheyd_...> > [6] http://openlibrary.org/books/OL6642554M > [7] http://openlibrary.org/books/OL23665874M > [8] <http://openlibrary.org/publishers/Gedruckt_by_Juriaen_van_Poolsum_...> > > On 30 December 2012 20:03, Karen Coyle <[email protected]> wrote: >> Ben, this is one of the complex things about publishers. I don't believe >> there is an error here. If you look at the ones with ISBNs, they use the >> same publisher identifier: >> >> 1432539787 >> 1432577166 >> >> (The "4325" is the publisher ID). >> >> The same publisher (read: company) often publishes multiple imprints. >> Thus "Vintage Books" is an imprint of Random House (or was, I can't >> remember who still exists due to the many buyouts). OCLC did an entire >> study of trying to see if they could identify the publishers from the >> bib data and ISBNs: >> >> Connaway, Lynn Silipigni, and Timothy J. Dickey. 2011. "Publisher Names >> in Bibliographic Data: An Experimental Authority File and a Prototype >> Application." Library Resources and Technical Services, 55,4. Pre-print >> available online at: >> http://www.oclc.org/research/publications/library/2011/connaway-lrts.pdf >> (.pdf: 388.5K/41 pp.). >> >> The method they used was very close to what Edward Betts did for the >> Open Library. >> >> I also often suspect that some small publishers join together to use an >> ISBN ID because it's cheaper for them. But I don't have any proof of that. >> >> kc >> >> On 12/30/12 9:44 AM, Ben Companjen wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I noticed that the page for publisher "American tract society" [1], >>> more specifically the Publishing History graph showing the number of >>> editions per year published by the publisher, says 9 editions were >>> published by this publisher in 2007. >>> >>> When I click the 2007 bar, I get the 9 works that had editions >>> published in 2007 by this publisher [2]. But for at least two of these >>> works, the 2007 editions were not published by this publisher. >>> >>> I believe this problem is not specific to this publisher, but that it >>> occurs with all publishers. Could it be a Solr feeding problem? >>> >>> And speaking of Solr, what is the status of the index updating >>> process? I added a book a few months ago, but I can only access it via >>> a direct link as the author page doesn't show it yet and the publisher >>> page doesn't exist yet. >>> >>> Happy New year! >>> >>> Ben >>> >>> >>> [1] http://openlibrary.org/publishers/American_tract_society >>> [2] >>> http://openlibrary.org/publishers/American_tract_society#published_in=2007&sort=edition_count >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ol-tech mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-tech >>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to >>> [email protected] >>> >> >> -- >> Karen Coyle >> [email protected] http://kcoyle.net >> ph: 1-510-540-7596 >> m: 1-510-435-8234 >> skype: kcoylenet >> _______________________________________________ >> Ol-tech mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-tech >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to >> [email protected] > -- Karen Coyle [email protected] http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet _______________________________________________ Ol-tech mailing list [email protected] http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-tech To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to [email protected]
