¡Hola! Cuando leí la cuenta de Ana sobre la maestra usando el raton como teledirigido, reí... pero quise llorar también. Lo que Ana ha dicho es tan verdad. Es triste, pero muchos, en verdad la mayoria de maestros faltan suficiente conociementos sobre tecnología. Por eso Sugar Labs nescesita pagar más attención a la nescesidad de explicar en palabras no muy technicas y dar entrenamiento que puede ser divirtido y no amenizar. Carolina Hi!When I read Ana's story about the teacher using the mouse as a TV remote, I laughed... but I wanted to cry too. What Ana said is so true. It is sad, but many, in truth the majority of teachers lack sufficient knowledge about technology. Because of this Sugar Labs needs to pay more attention to the meed to explain things in non-technical language and give training that can be interesting and non-threatening. Caryl
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 15:14:59 -0200 From: [email protected] CC: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [Sur] [IAEP] Contemplating Your SLOBS Vote (Text in spanish is below) I ve been reading this thread that is spread on several lists. For those who don t know me, I actually am a teacher in uruguayan public high school and worked using 1:1 during all 2010 and probably next 2012 will work once more on the 1:1 courses. I think that teachers are getting closer to technology in a slow process. We must be patient and just keep on doing and looking at sugar that is really doing things right. I am writing this from buenos aires -argentina- where I came for an ex highschool mates meeting. This is important because in that meeting, I was yesterday night talking to the actual General Manger Southern Cone District at Intel; Esteban, about teachers and 1:1 deployments, and he told me that he saw a teacher trying to use the mouse as a remote control. It was not an xo but a classmate and sugar was not at all involved. The point about teachers and technology is not an inner problem of the sugar project. It is a shared problem with all the people involved in the 1:1 educational mode. Sugarlabs is not at all to blame for failing in getting teachers more involved, my feeling is that sugar developers are very kind an open to teachers requests. We all know that Carlos does not like sugar plattform, so we must all keep that in mind when he participates in this electoral discussions for Sugar Oversight Board. In fact sugarlabs, rap ceibal, and all organizations supporting free software on 1:1 are always kinder and more respectful with non techy teachers than the official uruguayan deployment (plan ceibal) that -in my opinion- made some wrong desicions regarding teacher ' s training . ( Distributing a different system among teachers than among children is questionable desicion for example ) Regarding- the original topic of this thread having a teacher into the oversight board is not a necessary condition for having an open place for teachers demands on the oversight board. Teachers will gain space for themselves slowly and steadily in sugar and in all this general 1:1 idea. I think that if I vote for Ardito (as sugar member) this will be for his own credits that seem quite right for me. Because being or not being teacher is not a guarantee for having or not an open place for educational points of view regarding the sugar labs project. Spanish: He estado leyendo este hilo que se extiende en varias listas. Para aquellos que no me conocen, yo en realidad soy docente en la escuela pública uruguaya y trabajó con 1:1 durante todo 2010 y probablemente el próximo 2012 trabajare una vez más en cursos 1:1. Creo que los docentes se están acercando a la tecnología en un proceso lento. Hay que tener paciencia, podrás seguir haciendo y viendo que el azúcar es realmente hacer las cosas bien. Estoy escribiendo esto desde Buenos Aires, donde vine para una reunión de ex compañeros de secundaria. Esto es importante porque en esa reunión, que fue ayer por la noche hablando con el actual Gerente General del Cono Sur de Intel, ( Esteban) , sobre los profesores y las implementaciones de 1:1, y me dijo que vio a un docente tratando de usar el ratón como mando a distancia. No fue en una xo, sino una classmate y sugar no estaba para nada involucrado. El punto acerca de los maestros y la tecnología no es un problema interno del proyecto sugar. Se trata de un problema compartido con todas las personas involucradas en el modo educación 1:1 . SugarLabs no es en absoluto culpable por no haber en conseguir que los profesores estén más implicados, mi sensación es que los desarrolladores de sugaar son muy amables y abiertos respecto peticiones de los maestros. Todos sabemos que a Carlos no le gusta Plataforma Sugar y debemos tener eso en cuenta cuando se participa en este debate electoral para la Junta de Supervisión. De hecho SugarLabs, rap ceibal, y todas las organizaciones que apoyan el software libre en 1:1 siempre son más amables y más respetuosos con los maestros non-techy que el despliegue oficial uruguayos (Plan Ceibal), que-en mi opinión-hizo algunas desiciones equivocadas respecto a la capacitación a maestros (La distribución de un sistema diferente entre los profesores que entre los niños es una desición cuestionable, por ejemplo) En cuanto a el tema original de este hilo de tener un profesor en la junta de supervisión no es una condición necesaria para tener un lugar abierto para las demandas de los maestros en la junta de supervisión. Los maestros ganarán espacio para sí mismos poco a poco y de manera constante en sugar y en general en toda esta idea de 1:1. Yo creo que si yo voto por Ardito (como miembro de sugar ) será para sus propios créditos que parecen muy buenos para mí. Porque ser o no ser maestro no es una garantía para tener o no un lugar abierto para los puntos de vista educativos en relación con el proyecto de sugarlabs. "Having a Teacher on the Sugar Labs Oversight Board would be a Great Step Forward for Sugar, this is only achievable by the community exercising the power of their vote" Best! John Tierney Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:22:16 -0300 From: [email protected] To: [email protected] CC: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [IAEP] [Argentina] Contemplating Your SLOBS Vote I believe Sugar is doing serious damage to Plan Ceibal, to the uruguayan teachers, children, and to us all. This is the point. You are not trying to contribute to the project, because you think is a waste of time. Of course, I think different. As Mr. Bender expressed in one of his presentations Sugar is software under construction. Many people don't understood what Walter said here. It's not about a half finished project, is about a project with open doors, extensible, and free. You cannot ask teachers and children to start using their new computers by figuring out how to deal with this software under construction which, being so closely related to the operating system, happens to affect all uses of their laptops. My suggestion was and still is that after some years of trying the free software / volunteers route, with unacceptable results, get paid professional developers to swiftly work on correcting a good percentage of the problems, delivering working computers to the users. Some of those developers might well be some of the same working today as volunteers. Unacceptable results? Ok, go to use Windows Vista :) Gonzalo _______________________________________________ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) 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