Okay, i heard you. I think me replying to some statements will create more discussion, so i wouldn't.
Could it be seconded, as walter suggested so that it could be voted upon? SG On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Adam Holt <[email protected]> wrote: > If board members cannot feed themselves in their own country, and > additionally Sugar Labs is being asked to create my-favorite-hotel in > my-favorite-neighborhood welfare handouts for its own board members in > their own countries, we have a far deeper long-term problem on our hands > here, that will unfortunately but certainly not be resolved before June > 11/12. > > Be It Resolved: we now need to move on. > > > On Jun 3, 2017 9:39 AM, "Samson Goddy" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Adam Holt <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Jun 3, 2017 8:37 AM, "Walter Bender" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Please excuse the top post. >> >> I'd like to bring some clarity to the discussion of this motion. As most >> of you know, Sugar Labs is a member project of the Software Freedom >> Conservancy. The Conservancy has well-established guidelines for travel, >> and the travel plans in the proposal accompanying the motion are well >> within these guidelines. So while I appreciate Adam's help in reducing the >> costs of Samson's trip, I think those efforts are a distraction from the >> motion itself, which, at its essence is a proposal to attend the Scratch >> conference as an invited speaker on behalf of Sugar Labs. I have confidence >> that with Adam's help, the costs may well be less than the < US$800 >> stated in the motion, but what about the motion? Is there someone who will >> second it so we can vote? >> >> >> Humbly Disagree. >> >> The motion needs to be rewritten specifically so that Samson can: >> >> (1) Move forward with applying for his French visa w/o delay. >> > I am to visit Lagos by 12th of june to begin my visa process. > >> >> (2) Obtain up to $500 to that specific end. >> > $600(195,000 naira) will be helpful judging by the current exchange rate, > compare to $500. > > My request was 260,000 naira, getting up to 195,000 would be nice. > > > But one question Adam, what if i get the visa and spend higher than what > was proposed due to the naira gaining rate towards the dollar, supposedly > what was approved was $600(195,000 naira as of today exchange rate)? > > Shouldn't we agree on using the Naira as the currency here, since it is > going to be reimbursement? Because it might happen that tomorrow, if the > approved money is $600(195,000) went back to $1 = 170 naira. Right now the > rate is $1 = 325 naira. So the $600 might turn up useless if this happens. > > > When you told me you came to Nigeria, i believe the rate was $1 = 190 > naira, that was why things was cheap in Nigeria compare 2017 $1 = 325 > naira. > > > So this should be consider when trying to lower the money from $800 to any > amount. Because i mentioned the amount i need in naira which was 260,000 i > didn't care about the dollars or euro because it might be $400 or even $300 > if the economy turn worst. > > So 260,000 Nigerian naira is the total amount of my motion as of today. > > > On financial matters especially — it's important that we build trust, and >> avoid appearances of board members sending financial favors to each other — >> *by >> saying-what-we-mean and meaning-what-we-say.* >> > > But could this be voted on, as walter suggested? > >> >> >> Respecting All, >> >> Adam >> > > BR > > Samson > >> >> regards. >> >> -walter >> >> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Samson Goddy <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Jun 1, 2017 1:28 PM, "Adam Holt" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 7:14 AM, Samson Goddy <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> This would set a terrible precedent for Sugar Labs to pay $800 for a >>>> visa alone. >>>> >>>> Flight and other things connected. >>>> >>>> >>> All for the sake of 1 visa alone, let's hope it happens (sorry you're >>> flying instead of taking the new train from Port Harcourt to Lagos isn't >>> ready yet...) >>> >>> Strange that my parents spent an important part of their lives teaching >>>> in Nigeria and I happen to know more about modern Lagos (where Samson >>>> would apply for his French govt visa) than a steady stream of hyperbolic >>>> claims have insinuated. >>>> >>>> >>>> I am a Nigerian, you are not. >>>> >>>> >>> Luckily they charge the same price regardless our ethnicity here at this >>> $~19/night room in good proximity to the French Embassy in Lagos: (Lekki, >>> by Lagos Island, I know it well) >>> >>> http://airbnb.com/rooms/13639701 >>> >>> Air/conditioning, Internet, Amenities etc...I don't spend this much >>> myself but there are in fact options in every price range. >>> >>> Staying a standard hotel, is and always be the best option for me. I am >>> not an adult yet technically, the street in Lagos is not meant for people >>> like me. >>> >>> Meaning i can't use this service, only hotels. My parents wouldn't even >>> let me try it. >>> >>> It may sound crazy but that how it is. >>> >>> >>> Things are crazy expensive in Nigeria. >>>> >>>> >>> Nigeria has a truly great sense of humor and Nigerians are more >>> resourceful than most imagine. >>> >>> Yeah we all are, but the government isn't. >>> >>> >>> As such I will continue to vote My Conscience -- *AGAINST THIS MOTION >>>> with respect for all and malice toward none* -- up until the point >>>> where: >>>> >>>> 1) The total is reduced to $500 (receipts provided per SFConservancy >>>> policies). >>>> >>>> If $800 can't be given to me, i am okay with $500-600. Just that it >>>> will make me use lot of my savings i have been keeping for my internet >>>> plan. Half is better than none. >>>> >>>> >>> Thanks much Samson for being understanding and honoring all who wish >>> they had this opportunity! >>> >>> >>>> 2) It is clarified in writing (within the motion or nearby) what >>>> happens if the money disappears, if the French Govt insists on rejecting >>>> Samson's visa application. (In short: would Sugar Labs or Scratch pay this >>>> up-to-$500 ?) >>>> >>>> >>> The motion needs to quickly clarify the above. >>> >>> Frankly, there is no need for this. I said Sugar Labs is not going to >>> give me any money or support me until i have my visa that hand. This motion >>> is purely for reimbursement. >>> >>> You made it clear that SL might lose money. So this is how i tend to >>> prevent that. I am going to use my personal savings with so little support >>> with the scratch community. Then get reimbursed if i am successful. >>> >>> >>> Onwards & Upwards ~ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sugar-devel mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Walter Bender >> Sugar Labs >> http://www.sugarlabs.org >> <http://www.sugarlabs.org> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> [email protected] >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> [email protected] >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > [email protected] > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >
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