+1 to the proposal for having a proxy for transition. What ever the new TSC decided to do with this situation, we would not want to have lengthy discussion over this, but given the fact that it won39t be resolved in this week before Chris39s leave, having him assign a proxy would be helpful in keeping the TSC functional during this transition period.Lingli/邓灵莉中国移动通信研究院[email protected]
----邮件原文----发件人：Alla Goldner <[email protected]>收件人："[email protected]" <[email protected]>抄 送: (无)发送时间：2018-09-24 13:47:39主题：Re: [onap-tsc] TSC Seat Vanacy Hi all, I believe our interest is to avoid lengthy discussions and, instead, leverage other open source communities39 experience. We spent at least 6 months debating the elections, left several big gaps in definitions, known in advance, and eventually face one of them right away. While having a reserved SP seat and consequent handling is something we invented in ONAP, therefore we will have no choice, but closing all its definition gaps, the rest of the topics should be covered as done by another open source communities (of course, with appropriate definitions included into TSC charter firstly!). Alexis provided information about ODL. Kenny, could you provide us with the similar information about several other open source communities and their related practice, both inside and outside of Linux Foundation? In the mean time, as I don39t believe we will close it during one week, Chaker will be Chris39s proxy. Best regards, Alla Sent from Nine -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Donley <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, 24 September 2018 03:02 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [onap-tsc] TSC Seat Vanacy Thanks for kicking off this discussion. A few thoughts: Technically, an individual is elected to a seat, not a company. If the individual were to move to another company and still participate in ONAP, that individual would still remain on the TSC (subject to the per-company maximum). Mine is a special case, since I don39t expect to be active in ONAP after this week. Another option offered to all TSC members is to appoint a proxy in the event that someone is unavailable to participate for a period of time. Previous TSC members have had long-term proxies extending several months. Technically, I could not resign and appoint a long-term proxy. That proxy would remain valid as long as he or she doesn39t miss 3 consecutive meetings (at least until the next election). However, I remain steadfastly committed to elections, and would like to see a special election to replace me. My decision to leave is a personal one, and should in no way disadvantage Huawei. Huawei remains committed to ONAP, has many people who qualify as "active", and is still the #2 contributor to ONAP. Huawei deserves fair consideration through the election process, just like everyone else. So, in the case of a TSC member resigning, I believe the TSC should initiate a special election to fill the seat at the earliest possible opportunity. Because we instituted a one-rep-per-company rule, every company only nominated one person. It39s not fair to go back to the previous election results, since no back-ups were considered. I support Kenny39s and Steve39s suggestions. As I mentioned last week, I will remain active in ONAP through the end of the week. I will resign my seat as soon as my successor is selected. In the event that this is not resolved before Friday, I officially appoint Chaker Al Hakim as my proxy until such time as my seat is filled by special election. Chris From: <[email protected]> on behalf of Srini <[email protected]> Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, September 23, 2018 at 3:16 PM To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [onap-tsc] TSC Seat Vanacy We also need to consider two cases 1. Where a TSC member moves from one company to another company that has TSC representative already. 2. Where a TSC member moves from one company to another that does not have TSC representative. 1st case is simple and it can be considered as TSC member resigning. 2nd case is complex. Would there be an election? Or would that member continues to be in TSC. Since we have 1 member per company limitation, it is fair to consider this also as a resignation. Thanks Srini From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stephen Terrill Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2018 2:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [onap-tsc] TSC Seat Vanacy Hi, To this effect. An appointed size was agreed. I think it makes sense to run a new election for that seat – continuing with the previous voting list does not take into account the current situation, as the voting was in the context of an earlier situation: We need to take into account two situations as I see it: - Any TSC member is no longer able to support the role - The TSC member that can no longer support the role is a chair or vice chair. - We need to cater for the appointed positions as well. To this effect, can we amend the community charter as follows: - Add to section 4.2.3: o 4.2.3.3 TSC member abdication § In the event of a TSC member no longer being able to continue being a member of the TSC: · If the TSC position was from an operator, the operator may appoint a member that fulfils the criteria of being an active member if that is not feasible then the operator may appoint any member. If this is not done, then the seat is considered vacant. (Additional amendment to consider: If the TSC member that abdicated continues as an active member from the same company, then the TSC seat is considered vacant (I am not stronge on this, it just to avoid using this clause as a means to replace TSC members). · If the TSC position is from one of the elected positions, an election for that single position is held. The conditions of the election are the same as for any TSC election. § If the said position was of that of a TSC chair or vice-chair, then the TSC chair or vice chair position will undergo a re-election after the successful appointment of the new TSC member. § When the next General TSC election is held, the said TSC position will also be included in the general TSC election. BR, Steve From:[email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Frank Brockners via Lists.Onap.Org Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2018 7:19 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [onap-tsc] TSC Seat Vanacy Hi Kenny, Thanks for the summary. As a community member, I’d prefer if the TSC would quickly amend the current charter to cover the case of TSC members stepping down from their role. Any other approach would be a shot from the hip – and might be in conflict to the ultimate policy that the TSC would come up with. The amendment should cover the considerations that you list below, especially the fact that the TSC now consists of elected members and not representatives of parties, companies, etc. In that, a TSC differs from most of the parliaments, where members often represent parties, so that successors are automatically picked from a list. Regards, Frank From:[email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Kenny Paul Sent: Sonntag, 23. September 2018 18:43 To: [email protected] Subject: [onap-tsc] TSC Seat Vanacy I wanted to follow up on the discussion regarding a special election due to Chris taking a new job. One of the first questions asked was, "What does the Charter say?" Neither the Charter or Community Document says anything about a vacancy. In the absence of any specific language, the default should be to honor what language there is. Currently the Community Document says: 4.1.1.2 Size and Structure The TSC shall consist of eighteen (18) seats Nine (9) seats on the TSC are to be reserved for Operators Only one (1) person from any company, or group of related companies (as defined in section 4.4.4.1) may be a member at any given time. As such, my guidance to the TSC is to immediately authorize a special election using the criteria currently defined in the Community Document, plain and simple. There were a several alternatives to a special election which have been suggested. While it is well within the TSC39s right to pursue any of these alternatives, all must be thoroughly scrutinized through the lens of fairness, trust, and responsibility to the community. Leaving the seat vacant until the next election cycle It took 6 months to debate and vote on membership criteria, and another full month to run an election. Leaving the seat vacant until the next scheduled election implies that after all that work the TSC doesn39t care about being fully functional. This would be a huge hit to the community39s trust of the TSC. Delay any decision on an election until the TSC amends the Community Document to address how to handle a vacancy This is marginally better than leaving the seat vacant, because who knows how long amending the Community Document might take. I would encourage the TSC to take up amending the Community Document to cover one or more of the operational and governance gaps that exist, however it is unfair to the ONAP community to hold the recently vacated seat hostage to those discussions. Have Chris appoint his replacement When the TSC was comprised of only appointed individuals doing this would have been fine course of action. In fact, there were a couple instances back in March where this occurred. Now that we have moved from an appointed TSC to an elected TSC, such an appointment by a member is completely inappropriate. Make the next runner up in the August election the new TSC member While true the seat does not belong to Huawei, it would be exceeding unfair to them, especially as the 2nd largest contributor to the Project, to suddenly be out in the cold with absolutely no chance to even compete for a seat they once held. I don39t like creating work for myself and a TCS election is indeed a great deal of work. The thought of having to run a new election is mind-numbing but I welcome it gladly because it is absolutely the right thing to do. I recommend a one week nomination period, and a one week voting period. (The prior election was lengthened to two + two specifically to accommodate summer vacations). I am at ONS-Europe this week and out the first week of October on family business. The earliest I can commit to kicking off the process (after revalidating qualified Active Community Members) would be Oct. 11th, putting the close of the election on Oct. 25. Please let me know your thoughts. Best Regards, -kenny Kenny Paul, Technical Program Manager, The Linux Foundation [email protected], 510.766.5945 San Francisco Bay Area, Pacific Time Zone This message and the information contained herein is proprietary and confidential and subject to the Amdocs policy statement,you may review at https://www.amdocs.com/about/email-disclaimer -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#3747): https://lists.onap.org/g/ONAP-TSC/message/3747 Mute This Topic: https://lists.onap.org/mt/26151620/21656 Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.onap.org/g/ONAP-TSC/leave/2743226/1412191262/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
