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Dwayne,
I'll try to shed some historical light on the subject. The biggest
expansion of powers came from the 14th amendment. Strangely, that was
passed right after the civil war. The Supreme Court later interpreted it to
mean that the first 10 amendments also limited the individual states. The
theory was that the states could not deprive a US citizen of the rights of
due process and that due process amounted to all the protections of the bill
of rights (the first 10 amendments). The next biggest power grab by the
Federal Government came during the great depression. The Roosevelt
administration created a myriad of regulatory agencies to control the
economy and return hope of employment etc. In that case the Supreme Court
struck down many of the powers of the agencies as unconstitutional.
Roosevelt then tried to pack the Supreme Court but failed. Gradually, the
administrative agencies got constitutionally approved power by always
allowing anyone injured by its decision to appeal to the Courts. The states
(most of them) followed the same pattern.
When trying to control international corporations, we need to think outside
the box. 1st we should make the incentives right. That is hard to do and
frequently results in a wrong guess and unintended consequences. It is also
difficult to regulate activity outside the borders of the USA. We are in an
international world whether we want to or not. NAFTA is a good example of
attempts to regulate rules of commerct among certain nations. It has
incentives and consequences. That is why labor is so opposed. We have
opened free trade but left labor to compete with low wage countries. The
free market often leaves some dead bodies in its wake. So much for now.
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From: Dwayne Voegeli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 12:59 PM
Subject: RE: [Winona] What Is A Conservative?
> [Winona Online Democracy]
>
> Hello Glen and Winona Online Democracy,
>
> I agree with Glen that we should greatly limit the federal government.
> (Another example of why it's difficult to lump people into simple
> categories.)
>
> If we would only re-read the Constitution from time to time. The only
> powers the govt. is suppose to have are those specifically granted to it
in
> the Constitution. The federal govt. is NOT suppose to have any other
> power, those all belong to the States and the people.
>
> I agree with Glen's points about how the special interests, mine included
> too, should work to limit the power of the federal government.
>
> Would others also agree that we should also limit the power of supra,
> multi-national coporations?
>
> According to one study I recently read, only 51 of the top 100 economic
> entities in the world are countries, the others are corporations. Does
> that scare anyone else?
>
> While government is prone to corruption, corporations are a ____ times
more
> prone to corruption and usurping people's freedoms and rights.
>
> Again, like I've said in a previous e-mail, I think it would be global
> suicide to strip federal governments of their powers without stripping
> global corporations of their powers. My hope lies in local government and
> small business. It's possible and more efficient, just difficult to see
> through the haze produced by our infotainment industry.
>
> What do others think?
>
> Dwayne Voegeli
>
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> >From: "Glen & Diane Schumann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "Dwayne Voegeli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: RE: [Winona] What Is A Conservative?
> >Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:47:48 -0600
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> >Dwayne has made a great argument for the conservative position of limited
> >federal government. Now, if all of us and our special interests ( I can
> >name several "special interests" of which I could be considered a part,
and
> >I presume each of you could also) would just let that happen!
> >
> >Glen Schumann
> >Winona, MN
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> >[Winona Online Democracy]
> >
> >Hello John Finn and Winona Online Democracy,
> >
> >I want to second John's comments about the strange marriage, both literal
> >and philosophical, of James Carville and Mary Matalin. It's sad but it
> >does not surprise me. More of this kind of thing happens than most of us
> >know about.
> >
> >I went to Washington D.C. in 1988 to become involved in the U.S. Foreign
> >Service. After living in Washington D.C. for four years, I had a very
> >different view on our government at the Federal level. Boy, did I have
> >some chains fall from before my eyes. I left Washington D.C. not wanting
> >to work for the Federal Government as it currently exists.
> >
> >I am a strong believer in government, the right of people to rule
> >themselves for the common good.
> >
> >But what happens in Washington D.C. is a very different kind of animal.
It
> >has to do with a certain economy of scale that allows corruption and
greed
> >to be magnified to new levels. To understand Washington D.C., one must
> >become numb to scandals, corruption, and the general muck that hypocrisy
on
> >a large scale elicits. Washington is more like an emperor's court with
the
> >courtiers and powerful nobles milling about it then the paragon of
> >democracy to put forth to the world as the best model to emulate.
> >
> >While there are many great people who go to Washington D.C. from all
> >political backgrounds trying diligently to do what they perceive as the
> >"right thing", Washington D.C. operates under a different set of rules
than
> >other levels of government. The game is very different. We go through
the
> >motions and pomp and circumstance of a democracy but, in my opinion, the
> >reality is very different.
> >
> >I could go on and on about one illusion after another being dashed.
> >Instead, I'll summarize my thoughts in 3 sentences.
> >
> >1. Washington D.C. is not a place for people with ideals or ideas, any
> >real change will come from the political hinterlands, backwaters, and the
> >"sticks".
> >
> >2. At the national level, both the Democratic and Republican Parties are
> >very different than the state and local groups, they do not really care
> >about local votes or input, just "core groups" and fundraising.
> >
> >3. It is not the idea of government that is flawed; it is the greed,
> >unjust power, corruption, and low cultural and commercial values that are
> >the core problems. (Sometimes the seed is pure but the soil is
polluted.)
> >
> >Enough of those ramblings.
> >
> >I have a deep trust in local and state governments to help reform and
> >correct these problems.
> >
> >What do others think?
> >
> >Dwayne Voegeli
> >
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> >
> >>From: "John N. Finn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Dwayne Voegeli"
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> >>Subject: Re: [Winona] What Is A Conservative?
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> >>When getting emotionally caught up in the Democrat vs Republican antics,
I
> >>find it useful to ponder the situation of James Carville and Mary
Matalin.
> >>They are the husband / wife team who were advisors at the highest level
for
> >>the respective presidential campaigns, and are now pundits raking in the
> >big
> >>bucks by stirring up partisan passions on TV. So how can two people with
> >>supposedly such opposite beliefs and values be married? Maybe it's
because
> >>to the Washington insiders, it's all a big joke.... a joke on us.
> >>
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