On Jun 24, 2011, at 8:21 AM, Kay Schenk wrote: > Hello Rob, * -- see below > > On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Rob Weir <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Since almost all of us are new to Apache we're learning a lot about >> how Apache projects organize themselves. Based on my reading, I >> understand that Apache projects have three degrees of participation: >> >> 1) Developer (or Contributor might be the preferred term, since it >> doesn't depend on coding), who is a project member that contributes >> patches, helps with support, reports bugs, etc. The main thing they >> cannot do is commit changes directly to the product repository. They >> need to submit patches, which are then reviewed and checked in by a >> "committer". >> >> 2) Committers are elected based on their sustained contributions to >> the project. They have an apache userid and email alias. They can >> commit changes to the repository. They are also responsible for >> reviewing patches submitted by other contributors. A Committer must >> have an ICLA on file. >> > > What "substantially" is the difference between #1 and #2? I mean in terms of > actual actions. I submitted a CLA yesterday, and was told I needed to "voted > in", presumably for #1.
You do not need to be voted for #1. For #1 you submit your work as patches, through the community wiki (documentation), or the issue tracker (not decided yet) You get voted on for #2 and an ICLA on file helps speed the process. Once you are a Committer you are trusted to make changes on your won. > What I would LIKE to do is make some simple changes > to what Apache considers our "primary" web site, > > http://incubator.apache.org/projects/openofficeorg.html This is the podling status page and is a checklist for the podling's progress through the Incubator. AFAIK this can only be changed by someone on the Incubator PMC. I was going to ask about this, as it needs an update of the Wiki links and progress. > for this, I am told/see, I need an Apache userid, which to my knowledge i do > not have. So, how to to go about this... You must be voted on by the PPMC to become a Committer. Here are instructions for editing the Main site. - http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/ http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/developer-faqs.html I see these ought to explain how to submit a patch for the markdown text. If you have a patch then send an email with [PATCH] in the subject to ooo-dev and an svn diff in the content. A committer should pick it up. A patch can be prepared using "svn diff". See other threads for svn help. Does this help? Regards, Dave > > >> 3) Project Management Committee (PMC) are Committers or Contributors >> who are elected, based on merit, to help provide oversight to the >> project. They approve releases and elected new Committers and PMC >> members. >> > > With respect to this. One of the first things I would put on our "new" site > is the actual list of our PMC along with some better instructions as to what > one is supposed to do. > > I am still VERY confused over the use of > > http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/ > > vs > > http://incubator.apache.org/projects/openofficeorg.html > > > but if you look at any of the other Apache project websites, I think you'll > get a general idea of the "look and feel" of them. > > OK, I KNOW we have a LOT to discuss. But, I would just like to "fix up" the > main site a bit, so people coming over to have a look, actually have > something reasonable to look at and have some idea about what's going on. > > Thanks, and please vote me in for an Apache ID. :) > > >> As the Apache OpenOffice podling was bootstrapped, all of the >> volunteers who signed up on the wiki, before the vote, were >> automatically able to become Commtters and PPMC members. But to >> actually take on those roles, a number of steps needed to occur, >> mainly dependent on the new member submitting the Apache ICLA. Once >> that is done, account creation, etc. takes some time, but is routine. >> >> What we need to decide going forward is how we define the details of >> the Contributor/Committer/PPMC roles. >> > > yes...some of this is already defined vis a vis Apache, but I don't know how > they're maintained. > > >> >> Specifically: >> >> 1) In the future, will all Committers be PPMC members? In other >> words, will these two groups be identical? I've heard that other >> Apache projects have a subset of Committers serve on the PMC, but they >> rotate membership, so all Committers get a chance to be on the PMC. >> > > Boy, I would not think this group would be identical. The PPMC votes on all > new additions. I think it might unwieldy, but ??? > > >> 2) If the Committer and PPMC groups are not identical, then what >> criteria should we use to determine who becomes a PPMC member? >> > > maybe define a structure for the PPMC and vote on the PPMC membership from > the current community? > > >> 3) If someone is offered the role of Committer, how long do they have >> to sign ICLA? >> >> 4) If someone is an incredible contributor to the project, say in >> testing or event planning, can they become a PPMC member? Would they >> need to sign the ICLA even if they are never actually need to commit >> project resources? In other words, can someone be a PMC member >> without being a Committer? > > > why not? > > >> Or should we think of these as being >> progressive degrees of involvement, strictly Contributor --> Committer >> --> PMC member? >> > > Well I don't see why. I see PMC more as "managers" but that's just my > opinion. > > >> >> 5) Is there an term limit on PPMC membership, or criterion for >> sustained contributions and activity level? In other words, is it a >> case of "Once elected, always a PMC member"? >> >> 6) Similar for Committers. Is there a minimum threshold level of >> activity that is needed to sustain that role? >> > > good question...and one that should be addressed if no other reason then > security to the site(s). > > >> >> -Rob >> > > > > -- > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > MzK > > "He's got that New Orleans thing crawling all over him, that good stuff, > that > 'We Are the Champions', to hell with the rest and I'll just start over kind > of attitude." > — "1 Dead in the Attic", Chris Rose
