On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Dave Fisher <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Jun 27, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > > >> From: Alexandro Colorado <[email protected]> > >> To: [email protected] > >> Cc: Dave Fisher <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 4:25:12 PM > >> Subject: Re: Top level question on website migration > >> > >> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Joe Schaefer <[email protected] > >wrote: > >> > >>> ----- Original Message ---- > >>> > >>>> From: Alexandro Colorado <[email protected]> > >>>> To: [email protected] > >>>> Cc: Dave Fisher <[email protected]> > >>>> Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 4:06:43 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: Top level question on website migration > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Joe Schaefer < > [email protected] > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> ----- Original Message ---- > >>>>> > >>>>>> From: Alexandro Colorado <[email protected]> > >>>>>> To: [email protected] > >>>>>> Cc: Dave Fisher <[email protected]> > >>>>>> Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 3:09:33 PM > >>>>>> Subject: Re: Top level question on website migration > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Daniel Shahaf < > >>> [email protected] > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dave Fisher wrote on Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 11:54:20 -0700: > >>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2011, at 10:55 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > >>>>>>>>> What about the rest of the questions: > >>>>>>>>> - Do/Will apache.ooo have SSI (PHP/Python/Ruby/Ruby backend)? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> This is a really good question, but apparently not. I think > >>> that > >>>>> there > >>>>>>>> are plenty of reasons for user support to require a dynamic > >>> server, > >>>>>>>> but I think that is a separate discussion. Rob's discussion > >>> about > >>>>> user > >>>>>>>> support ideas and your response has me thinking Open Social. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Server-side includes are supported, eg > >>>>>>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/subversion/site/publish/ > >>>>>>> uses them. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dynamic content is not supported. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Static content (however generated) is supported. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Is it possible to have some CRUD? > >>>>> > >>>>> Subversion is CRUD, and much more. Really you should take > advantage > >>>>> of what the CMS actually offers. > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> Subversion is NOT CRUD. If I want to add a form to a site, I can't > get > >>> it > >>>> connect the data to a datasource in SVN. > >>> > >>> The sites are static, but they are generated from a subversion tree. > So > >>> no, > >>> you can't "connect to svn" from the site. But look at > www.apache.orgwhich > >>> has lots of "dynamic" content tho it is also uses the CMS. > >>> > >>>> So having a sign up sheet or a > >>>> locate the closest OOo support center. I can't make that with > >>> Subversion. > >>> > >>> It isn't the point of the main website to provide signup sheets. > That's > >>> something > >>> a link to a wiki page can provide. Finding the closest OOo support > center > >>> is > >>> something a CGI script can do that has access to read-only data on > disk. > >>> > >> > >> Well I have ran main websites for projects for while, and I have > missed > >> this functionality many times. We also were very frustrated with > Collbanet > >> and other structures asking for true dynamic platform. > > > > So far the only person I see expressing frustration over the situation is > you. > > If there ever comes a time that a sufficient number of OOo committers can > > demonstrate > > some ability to maintain and operate a dynamic website that isn't riddled > with > > chronic security flaws, infra will be more than happy to setup a > jail/virtual os > > for you to use as you see fit. In the meantime I suggest you learn to > make > > proper > > use of the CMS. > > Joe, thanks for setting the bar. It might be high, but I agree that if we > (AOOo) decides that we need to have a dynamic website as some type of > support hub that we have a big task that requires careful design and > implementation. > > If we had a webapps that sits on Tomcat would that help lower the bar, if > only slightly? > > Alexandro, I really like your ideas that you expressed about linking OOo > users instantly to a support network. Whatever might be developed by AOOo to > do that will need to be very scalable. And if we mean dynamic then we aren't > discussing mirrors so much. > I don't want to spend too much time talking about this simply because in LibreOffice this topic was a huge and I mean HUGE flamewar that lasted longer than a solar storm. Big +100 emails discussions, pretty scary scenario. Leaving that war scar aside, I mean from a simple thing like managing menus and contents (an all traditional HTML structure is horrible). Things from news items, to just organizing and updating the menus on every page of the site is a pain in the butt. Special campaigns such as monthly web newsletters (in spanish of course). Or Localize project wide menus (something I remember was a big thing and we did intense JS hacking to skip that). Was some of the things that could have been fixed rather easily with few lines of PHP. I actually started to think on a planet setup (planetplanet written in python) which generate the whole page from scripts and spew HTML code everynight from different feeds. So I can script the whole site dynamically on my localbox (let say in Python) and scaffolde the site into a folder that sync with the server everynight. The issue here of course, is that if you have many maintainers this could become a problem, just re-writing the whole site everyday and integrating changes from other people everynight. > > There is a lot going on with Apache Lucene and Hadoop and their many > friends that could be put to use to build an OOo user live QA / social > network. > > But now I'm getting BIG. Would you mind describing a few of the > frustrations that you had with Collabnet? > > Regards, > Dave > > > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
