On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Joe Schaefer <[email protected]> wrote: > Let me alleviate your concerns with two proposals: > > 1) invite so-and-so to join the now-already-existing community > as a new participant, without any special initial privileges, > but being mindful of past efforts in the community as their > participation level increases. > > 2) invite so-and-so to join the fledgling community as a committer/PPMC > member, without first demonstrating any particular work towards the > project's brand new goals. > > I shouldn't have to tell you which of those 2 I'd rather see at > this point, and yes it's an either-or question, not a let's do > both one. >
We're in agreement here. -Rob > > > ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Rob Weir <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Wed, June 29, 2011 7:26:59 PM >> Subject: Re: OpenOffice project interest in South Africa? >> >> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Joe Schaefer <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > Less democracy, more meritocracy at this point please. It's now >> > almost 1 month since the proposal hit general@incubator, and as >> > Danese suggested, it's time to let go of the idea that getting >> > diverse representation from key geographical locations is going >> > to lead to a more productive working group at the ASF. >> > >> >> Joe, there is nothing that says we cannot value both. >> >> How long since the *proposal* was submitted to the general list is >> irrelevant. The actual project has been here for two weeks. >> >> > >> > There is a lot to do here, and all I see is very sketchy starts >> > at getting any of it done. If leaders are to be born here we need >> > them to step up and start tackling this massive set of problems >> > a little bit at a time. >> > >> >> True, and we are making progress. This is occurring on many other >> threads. But this is irrelevant to the question I was asking. >> Remember, we need to think ahead a few steps. For every person >> writing core code, we will need multiple people testing, documenting, >> translating, porting, supporting, and yes, using the product. These >> are all part of the Apache OpenOffice project. >> >> As we move forward with the core coding tasks, I feel no reason to >> apologize for continuing the community development. In fact I hope >> this project never ever reaches the point where it believes that >> reaching out for more members is a bad thing, and that additional >> offers of help is anything but a blessing. >> >> > I'm not saying not to go out and invite more people to the project. >> > I am saying be careful how you do it because the community is watching >> > for favoritism or any other unfair methods of advancement. >> >> Could you explain *your* concern with regards to "favoritism" or >> "unfair methods of advancement"? Vague insinuations, hiding behind >> "the community is watching" does not sit well with me. >> >> -Rob >> >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ---- >> >> From: Donald Harbison <[email protected]> >> >> To: [email protected] >> >> Sent: Wed, June 29, 2011 6:58:35 PM >> >> Subject: Re: OpenOffice project interest in South Africa? >> >> >> >> Let's ask Aslam Raffee. He used to be on the OASIS ODF Adoption TC. >> >> >> >> On Jun 29, 2011 5:58 PM, "Marcus (OOo)" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Am 06/29/2011 11:08 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: >> >> >> Just noticed that we had project members from North America, South >> >> >> America, Europe, Asia and Australia. So 5 of 7 continents. >> >> >> >> >> >> I have doubts that we'll get anyone from Antarctica. >> >> > >> >> > Come on, don't exclude them before they had a chance to spoke up via >> >> > their connection by bell wire. :-P >> >> > >> >> >> But I thought there was strong interest in OpenOffice in South >> >> >> Africa, >> >> >> especially with their many official languages. Does anyone have any >> >> >> contacts there? We should reach out and make sure that they are >> >> >> included in our community. >> >> > >> >> > The offical contact for en-ZA is "Dwayne Bailey". At least he is still >> >> > listed here: >> >> > >> >> > http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Languages >> >> > >> >> > Furthermore, we had contact to Friedel Wolff from "translate.org.za" > who >> >> > has helped us to setup a new pootle server for our "Continuous L10N >> >> > Integration" project: >> >> > >> >> > http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/NewPootleServer >> >> > >> >> > Maybe it's worth to restart the contacts. >> >> > >> >> > Marcus >> >> >> > >> >
