I also feel generally speaking that JIRA, if some templating is applied,
is much better for end users.
On 06/30/2011 10:00 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
Jira is certainly the more popular of the two by a wide
margin here at the ASF. Infra uses jira just because we
had to pick one, and we get decent mileage out of the SOAP
API via infrabot on irc.
----- Original Message ----
From: Shane Curcuru<[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thu, June 30, 2011 12:56:31 PM
Subject: Re: Speaking of JIRA, Where's Ours?
Here's a meta-question for those who've previously worked on OOo: who
are the primary users of the bugtracking system?
Most other Apache projects have sysadmins or developers as the primary
customers, hence the majority of people both seeking help on a product,
and the majority of people actually coming to file a bug report (or
track one) have some technical experience.
In OOo, are the bugtrackers aimed at developers, end users, or a mix of
both? And for the end users, do they mostly just submit reports to the
bugtracker, or do they actively use the other features in the bugtracker?
Thinking through how end users get support might help, because if 1)
some end users use the lists, and don't really use the bugtracker,
that's important to know, and 2) because if most end users really only
ever submit bugs (but not search/track them, other than to get notified
of their own bug), that is useful to know.
----
In terms of ASF infrastructure, most other projects have/or/are
migrating away from Bugzilla (to simplistic and hard to get good
reports) over to JIRA (perhaps slow and complicated, but you can usually
get what you want out of it). But either is a supported tool at Apache.
Note that if a project wants a custom JIRA or Bugzilla install, with
extra modules or something, that's possible to do - especially if the
project has some reliable volunteers that will assist in both deploying
and supporting the customizations.
- Shane
On 6/30/2011 11:53 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
I'd like to reopen this question,since I haven't seen a resolution.
I'm hearing some proposing Bugzilla, because of familiarity and ease
of migration.
I'm also hearing some say that JIRA is superior.
I'm not really persuaded by either argument. I wonder if we could
briefly drill down into this a bit more.
1) I read that the OOo bugzilla has been customized. Can anyone
explain the nature of the customizations?
2) In what sense if JIRA better? IMHO all defect tracking systems
suck. But I'm open to the possibility that some suck less.
3) On migration, would it be reasonable to attempt a sandboxed trial
migration of Bugzilla to JIRA, and let skeptics poke at it for a
while, to see if, for example, IDs are preserved, etc.? Would that be
much work? The easiest way to convince people that JIRA is possible
and reasonable might be to actually do it.
4) What are the downsides of Bugzilla? If it is a supported option at
Apache, wouldn't that be the obvious choice? I think we'd need to
make a good case for why an alternative would be better. What are,
say, the top 3 things that JIRA would do better than Bugzilla?
-Rob
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Dave Fisher<[email protected]>
wrote:
On Jun 16, 2011, at 9:17 AM, Mathias Bauer wrote:
On 16.06.2011 16:45, Christian Lohmaier wrote:
Hi *,
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On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Marcus Lange<[email protected]>
wrote:
I would prefer Bugzilla, too. We have already migrated recently to this,
so
transition would be much easier to bring it into Apache. And because
of
OOo's project size I would also like to see a new instance.
Not because of project size, but also for the sake of preserving the
issue-numbers that are spread all over the place, last but not least
in the code itself.
So whatever you choose, make sure that there is a way to get form
#i1234# to the actual bug that corresponds to the id.
Yes, keeping issue ids is the most important thing. Which bug tracker we
use would be a second order priority for me.
There seems to be consensus.
(1) We must somehow preserve the old bugzilla ids.
(2) There is no clear preference on Bugzilla over JIRA.
I think that we need to ask the infrastructure team what they think about
the situation.
Regards,
Dave
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