Am 11.07.2011 01:51, schrieb Dave Fisher: > The domain openoffice.org will certainly be transferred to the ASF and the > ASF will host the website. There may be some subdomains that are externally > hosted. (external to the ASF.) as part of an overall openoffice.org > community. The trademark will still belong to the Apache Software Foundation. > > We are about to start moving OOo web content into the AOOo SVN. > > The website plan that is being contemplated is to build two sites within the > incubator site: > > (1) openoffice.org - marketing / languages > www., why., <lang>., nlc. .... > > (2) ooo.apache.org - this project's site with OOo development / non-marketing > projects, efforts, etc. > ooo is one possibility it could be openoffice.apache.org or > openofficeorg.apache.org or ... - we can decide at graduation. > > We should have tight branding connection between the two sites. Whatever we > call ourselves as a project we'll need to make sure we don't dilute the > OpenOffice.org™. Instead we need to enhance the brand. > > I think we all agree that Apache OpenOffice is less awkward, but have to > acknowledge that we may not be able to say "Apache OpenOffice™" worldwide and > that is an expensive problem. > > Best Regards, > Dave >
Thank you for the clarification. I'm not very eager to keep the .org - just wanted to see clear on the legal side. It is just confusing with all the different names. Best Regards Christoph (with my Introduction still pending :-( ) > On Jul 10, 2011, at 4:20 PM, Christoph Jopp wrote: > >> Am 10.07.2011 20:19, schrieb Donald Harbison: >>> No need to drag the .org into the future, if Apache is prefixed. If no >>> prefix, yes, we lead with the trademark of record: OpenOffice.org. IMHO. >>> Let's simply use Apache OpenOffice. >> >> I might be totally wrong (especially as I'm not a lawyer) but there >> still might be a need to keep the .org. >> >> The worldwide trademark is on OpenOffice.org and the Suffix >> distinguishes it from OpenOffice or similar trademarks. >> >> The prefix Apache also distinguishes it from OpenOffice but also from >> OpenOffice.org (especially without further using the Suffix .org). >> >> So does using just Apache OpenOffice not mean to drop the worldwide >> trademark? >> >> Whether Apache OpenOffice.org suffices the "old" trademark might answer >> a lawyer. >> >> The danger might be that not using the OpenOffice.org trademark means >> losing it. At least in Germany a trademark can be deregistered if the >> owner doesn't use it for five consecutive years. And then registered of >> a new user/owner. >> >> >>> >>> On Jul 10, 2011 1:27 PM, "Marcus (OOo)" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> OK, to let the name start with "Apache" seems to be a requirement. >>>> >>>> Am I right when I see more people saying that it should be named "Apache >>>> OpenOffice.org" and not "Apache OpenOffice"? >>>> >>>> BTW: >>>> I don't want to get rid of the ".org" extension on any price. Due to the >>>> new Apache home I just wanted to talk about the possibility. >>>> >>>> Marcus >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Am 07/09/2011 02:34 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: >>>>> 2011/7/9 Pavel Janík<[email protected]>: >>>>>>> Why? Out of the folk on the OOo forum who expressed an opinion to me, >>> no one liked it. It was a perpetual reminder that the product couldn't be >>> called what they really wanted it to be called: OpenOffice. I greatly prefer >>> Apache OpenOffice to Apache OpenOffice.org. >>>>>> >>>>>> The product and the project WAS OpenOffice.org. If we want to change it, >>> then why not directly Apache Office? >>>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Or if everyone likes the ".org" we could call it "(Apache.org >>>>> OpenOffice.org).org" >>>>> >>>>> But seriously, the ".org" was added to make the name unique. It also >>>>> occurred during the .com bubble when making your product sound >>>>> internetty would make your stock price quadruple over night. So we >>>>> ended up with a lot of silly names back then. >>>>> >>>>> Today, however, the original reason for adding the ".org" no longer >>>>> exists. And instead of sounding cool, it sounds very retro, so very >>>>> 2001. On the other hand, we have a generation of pedants who enjoy >>>>> correcting users who almost always just call the product "OpenOffice", >>>>> oblivious any attempts to enlighten them about how some Dutch company >>>>> they never heard of was also called OpenOffice. So regardless of what >>>>> we do, users will continue calling the product "OpenOffice". >>>>> >>>>> You can reading the Apache requirements for product branding and >>>>> naming here: http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html#naming >>>>> >>>>> Quoting from there: "The primary branding for any project or product >>>>> name must be in the form of 'Apache Foo'. This ensures that the >>>>> project or product is associated with the ASF and the project in the >>>>> minds of our users. The first and most prominent reference to a >>>>> project or product on each page must use the 'Apache Foo' form of its >>>>> name. Other references may use either 'Apache Foo' or 'Foo' as >>>>> appropriate for the subject matter." >>>>> >>>>> So the branding will need to include "Apache". It seems the logical >>>>> choices are either: >>>>> >>>>> "Apache OpenOffice.org" >>>>> >>>>> or >>>>> >>>>> "Apache OpenOffice" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Personally, I think the first name is ponderous and ugly. >>> >> > >
