On 7/14/2011 3:45 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
My impression is that voting is done on the list with +1,0,-1
tabulation. That is how ballots have happened on the PPMC and it is
how the ballots on the general@incubator are conducted.
Correct - in virtually all cases voting is done on the appropriate list
with +1/-1 (and various flavors of +0/-0 if you want to abstain). Note
that having the vote results on the mailing list - and there are often
comments included in votes - helps the whole community, including
lurkers, to understand how and why decisions are made here at Apache.
Note that each (P)PMC ends up having it's own details of how it reaches
consensus on dev@ and private@ lists. Some PMCs indeed only [VOTE] on
releases and new committers/new PMC members; for other decisions, they
have a simple discussion that continues until the general consensus of
the project is obvious (typically with more experienced PMCs). Other
PMCs [VOTE] on a variety of issues including significant technical or
code changes. Some projects use [VOTE]s, or even better, quick [POLL]s
just to gauge overall interest in specific new ideas or suggestions -
like "Hey, is it worth mocking up this crazy idea to see if we should
implement it?"
I think it will be primarily up to the actual committers on this project
to decide the general way that consensus is reached on this list. Note
that in healthy projects PMC members and committers certainly do pay
attention to the votes of non-committers on the list! However only
committers or PMC members (depending on the kind of vote) cast binding
votes, since they - especially PMC members - are the ones responsible
for managing the project.
I think an important concept to document well is that this is the Apache
OpenOffice podling. While it shares most of the code and the
trademarks, and a number of the goals of the OpenOffice.org project, it
is *not* the same project, nor will it be exactly the same community.
We need to find a positive and helpful way to say that, so we can manage
expectations of the many past committers (or contributors) on the
OpenOffice.org project when they come here and expect the same abilities
to help manage this new project.
- Shane
The only case I can foresee off hand that might lead to [VOTE], if a
[DISCUSS] does not demonstrate consensus, might be over the name of
the project, the deliverable, and the domains of web sites once
openoffice.org has transferred to Apache and we know the ASF policy,
legal, and trademark constraints that have to be honored.
- Dennis
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Dennis E. Hamilton Subject: Re: Committers and Contributors and PPMC
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Daniel
Shahaf<[email protected]>wrote:
Dennis E. Hamilton wrote on Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 11:59:37 -0700:
It is my impression (based on no experience at all) that when
issues come to a vote on the ooo-dev list, PPMC member votes are
binding and the votes of other project contributors and observers
are not, although I am confident that non-binding votes are given
careful attention.
That's correct. Furthermore, voting on technical issues is the
very rare exception rather than the rule. (Read: almost never
happens)
We strongly prefer to operate by consensus.
Is this done through a rudimentary process of +1 on mailing lists or
is there an app to perform quick polling campaings?
