On 31/07/11 23:09, Mark Thomas wrote:
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I would imagine that these services would be hosted on project managed
virtual machines of some form and whoever manages them now would
continue to manage them. The central infra team may end up managing some
aspects such as DNS. The detail can be worked on as part of the
incubation process.
The much more important question is who will support it. There have been
far too many examples of projects requesting a service, promising to
help support it and then never being heard from again when it needs
maintenance. If the current maintenance is performed by Oracle rather
than the community there will be concerns about the viability of that model.
On a related note, infrastructure will not tolerate project managed
systems that are insecure. We will shut them down first and ask
questions later. Projects are expected to keep on top of security for
the services that they manage. We do arrange things so projects can only
shoot themselves in the foot but will still expect security to be
maintained.
Mark
Mark,
I've been administering the forums for 4 years, including bringing on 8
new languages, a migration from PostgreSQL to MySQL (when Sun bought
MySQL LoL), and 5 phpBB upgrades. The only service outages that we've
had were when there were H/W problems in the Sun Datacentre. I've
automated just about all of the housekeeping, so there is no daily /
weekly / monthly manual invention required. So I think that we have a
good track record here.
The wiki is more problematic since this was run by Oracle employees who
have now been 'let-go'. However, I used to help with the main guy with
advice on Apache / MediaWiki / PHP / MySQL tuning and so I know and
have interactive access to the systen. I can rehost this and continue
to run it on a 'sustain' basis so that we can continue to provide the
service until the project works out its migration / retirement plans.
Yes, I am a single point of failure, but I am more than willing to
document the SysOps and or train up someone else. It's just that
there's a dearth of LAMP developer / admins amongst the OOo user
community. Another member of the ooo-dev list used help until I
automated everything and he had other priorities in the project. I used
to be the operations CTO for EDS in Europe before I retired early and
went back to the simple stuff as a hobby, so I understand all about the
security side!
I've got D/R / maintenance copies of both the forums and the wiki on a
couple of standard Ubuntu 10.04-3 LTS VMs, but if you have any
guidelines / VM templates / management interface documentation then send
me a copy and I'll reflect them in my plans / work.
And BTW, a simple Q: what virtualisation technology are using in your
prod environment? VMware, KVM or what?
Regards Terry
