+1
I volunteer to help with the long-range problems (karma and fu assumed).
--/tj/
On 8/22/2011 14:38, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
Mathias, thank you for pointing out this significant case.
Concerning<id>@openoffice.org in issue-tracking forms:
If the bugtracker is bugzilla, there is both the CC information and the
submitter (as well as anyone who is listed as having some role in handling the
issue). I know that where I am submitter (on bugs.freedesktop.org) on
bugzilla, the link that shows my user name as submitter has a
mailto:[email protected] in it, the e-mail address that I am registered
with. If I expand the CC list on a bug that has a number of folks following
it, I see the specific e-mails, not user IDs. So even when user name/ID is
shown on the form, it is a link to a hard-coded e-mail address, not some
indirect link to a profile.
The only JIRA I use is not as current or customized as the one at Apache, and it is limited to
"committers" so I don't know how "watchers" are handled (since changes to
issues are posted to a common dev list anyhow).
But since we are starting with bugzilla and will likely migrate to a public bugzilla,
it would seem that those<id>@openoffice.org mailto values will be all over the
place, along with many e-mail addresses that are on neither apache.org nor
openoffice.org. Just like for public wikis.
I'd say there are two conclusions to be reached around this:
1. bugzilla is the safe podling choice for preservation of the current issue
tracking, open issues, and issue history on openoffice.org. (Since having it
side-by-side with some alternative has no traction, I think keeping bugzilla on
the podling is an inevitable least-that-can-possibly-work choice.) We should
get going on that migration.
** We will probably require people to reregister to submit bugs on the
podling version simply because of terms of use and the Apache contribution
rules.
** This transposition will need to be a migration because I suspect the form
will change to some degree, especially with regard to attachments being
contributions or not.
2. The only way to avoid closing the<id>@openoffice.org e-mail forwarding and then
find ourselves caught by an unintended consequence, such as losing ties in the issue
tracker, is to simply preserve the forwarding for<id>@openoffice.org in the limited
way already proposed and deal with issues with simple, limited efforts as they come up and
there are folks with cycles to address them.
We need this functioning for all of the positive reasons already raised. We
need this functioning to get it off the critical path for initial migration
staging and to have in place the least that can possibly work without damaging
anything. The front-loading solutions speculated as alternatives are both
costly and potentially damaging.
- Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: Mathias Bauer [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 10:36
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re:<id>@openoffice.org
On 22.08.2011 19:22, Rob Weir wrote:
On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Mathias Bauer<[email protected]> wrote:
On 21.08.2011 19:32, Andy Brown wrote:
Watching the discussions here I have a question.
How hard would it be to find out which forwarding addresses are in
active use, last six months, last year?
Seems to me if an address is "active' then it should be maintained for
that user as that is where some contacts expect to find that person. I
have one of those addresses and in the last year I may have received two
or three messages, all spam, so I do not need the address or really want
it. As has been indicated it was given when I initially registered
OO.o. I think I have received two or three actual messages with that
address and that was over two years ago when I signed up for the
Marketing Project. I see no need to maintain address forwarding for
addresses that are not used but do feel that those that use them should
have them maintained for the benefit of the community. It seems that
most of us agree that no new address should be assigned.
The id@ooo addresses most probably are useful only in one case: getting
mail notifications about changes in the bug tracking system. If we want
to continue working with the existing bug database (and why shouldn't
we?) we might want to be able to reach anybody who has either added
something to an issue or has registered himself as an observer for this
issue. In both cases the ooo userid and so the mailing address
"[email protected]" has been used to establish the contact. Throwing
away these mailing addresses would mean that we could no longer reach
the people that contributed to the issues or registered themselves to it.
But we also know that there are hundreds of notices in OOo Bugzilla
that are spam. Has there been any effort to remove the accounts of
spammers?
I see a lot of spam still there. Search Google: site:openoffice.org viagra
Is there any way we can preserve the project's ability to contact an
issue submitter, without at the same time allowing illegitimate uses
of the OpenOffice.org trademark, uses which are detrimental to the
project?
For example, could we create a dump of the openoffice.org addresses
and their corresponding real addresses, store that in the PPMC's
private directory, only for use in contacting reporters of bugs? This
would be analogous to how Apache treats its MailAlias.txt file.
IMHO it's enough to prevent the creation of new "@ooo" addresses and
disable all accounts that spammed the bug tracker (like we did in the
past).
If it is easier to do the mail forwarding by mapping mail addresses
explicitly, why not?
Two possible problems: people must allow us to use their "real" mail
address and have it listed in a file and the bug tracker must be able to
use that list before it sends out notifications. Maybe the latter is not
a problem at all, I don't know how the bug tracker works.
Regards,
Mathias
