Terry Ellison wrote on Fri, Sep 02, 2011 at 09:56:12 +0100: > This is a response to some content in the replies to ... > It was late when I wrote this, so maybe I should have phrased it > better. However one of my paragraphs generated a strong reaction > and a bit of personal criticism, So I just want to explain what my > intent was below, since the Apache way seems to be to let it all > hang out in public. >
I'd be fine with having this thread on a private list. That said: You have been libeling Infra on this list. Don't do that. > * *Infrastructure processes and practices*. Watching these at work, > they clearly work for the core team who do most of the work. No > question about this. But nothing is written down, with everything > just "commonly understood" by the team. There are many ways of > organising and executing this type of infrastructure service, and > the team has chosen one which can work in small tightly knit > groups. However it doesn't scale and it will be very foreign to > newcomers who are used to different working models. For example > anyone working in an F500 company or major government organisation > is used to working within an ITIL or other QA framework. So it > could take newbies months to learn their way into the Apache > model. This can cause conflict and tensions if you have project > goals which involve weeks. I am a newbie here. I have weeks. I > have a corporate background. I am used to picking up a rule book, > reading it, understanding it, then following it. Here, I seem to > cross invisible lines and get publicly flamed in response. That's > why it doesn't work for me. > Learn the difference between getting feedback on your work, answers to your questions, or post-commit reviews to your commits, and being flamed. > This is probably my last public comment on the above. I don't want > to start a ping-pong responding to the personal criticisms in the > previous thread. They are public and on the record so others can > form their own opinions. That's pretty impossible because #asfinfra is not archived. > Whatever happens, I will do my best to > migrate the forums and wiki, to document these systems and to bring > them under proper revision control to a standard acceptable to the > infrastructure team. But the sensible option for all currently > seems to be for me to disengage from apache.org at that point. As you wish. You'd be welcomed back at #asfinfra whenever it's possible to work with you without getting into discussions such as the present one.
