I am changing the topic of this branch of the discussion. I am worried about some problems with mailing lists and migration of OpenOffice.org. If the problems are allowed, it should be on purpose.
I suggest discussing those problems before the situation is made worse. I will move this topic to the OOOUSER wiki on the weekend. PERSONAL CONCERN: 1. The current list arrangement is technically superior to what is proposed for replacement. 2. Shutting down the resources of a community and expecting that community to migrate itself onto an alternative will deteriorate if not completely lose the participation of that community. TO CONSIDER: Preservation of the existing mailing lists and their services; the means for doing so. Migration of the existing mailing list services and content onto Apache hosting along with OpenOffice.org hosting. Restoration of moderation and support of the lists themselves. Within the existing structure and subscriber community of each NL group: simplification, consolidation, or retirement (with preservation) of existing lists that are redundant, inactive, or too specialized to sustain. Adjustment of the operational support to satisfy ASF requirements for oversight and accountability. Transfer of lists to different services and operation only when loss of functionality and community disruption is minimized. Automatic continuation of the established community and subscriptions on any migration onto different list systems. Involvement and engagement of the existing NL group community in each step of the way. Minimize avoidable disaffection. - Dennis -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 01:55 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Set up of ooo-dev-ja at incubator.apache.org Hello, Dave Fisher schrieb: > > if you mix everything like user questions and answers, > marketing, QA > > et cetra on only *one ML*, you will alienate the poor users. > > > > But it seems to be the way it is. > > so ... I wish you all the best. > > I understand your concerns about mixing marketing with users. > What are the other categories besides marketing that users > should be shielded from? Translation? We've been mentored to > only have additional lists for good reason and with careful > consideration of the community and our oversight > responsibilities to the ASF. It is very, very simple. The list [email protected] is a list ONLY for german-speaking users. This users a _not Community-members_ but only users and this users cannot write questions in english. The list [email protected] is a support-list for users, not a list to coordinate the activity of the project-members. OK, we can replace [email protected] by a german forum but the users just like [email protected], and it would be better to have a German-language forum AND a german USERS-list. Greetings Jörg -- www.calc-info.de
