--- On Tue, 10/25/11, Christian Lohmaier <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Pedro, *, > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 8:42 PM, Pedro Giffuni <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I am not in the PPMC specifically to avoid > participating in this type of > > discussions, but I have to say this, just IMHO: > > > > I fail to understand why the ASF is not considered > neutral, > > The ASF people is not the big problem. It is having > @openoffice.org or @apache.org as part of the address. > > You wouldn't be OK with the list being @libreoffice.org or > @documentfoundation.org, would you? > There is one difference: for all purposes we are what LibreOffice is about to call upstream. Whatever happens in OpenOffice.org is likely to also affect LO. > Those are not neutral either. As I don't think this point > is so hard > to understand, I can only assume Rob is reiterating on this > stuff and > throwing in "trust is what matters" on purpose. > > This has nothing to do with trust. > > > We owe to our millions of users out there to maintain > our own security > > channels and we cannot delegate them to a third > party. > > So why do you think it is OK for TDF/LibreOffice to do so? > LibreOffice, RedOffice, Lotus and other vendors are likely to have their own independent channels too. I am not against that but the idea is to have a single place where all OOo derivatives can share experiences and attack common problems. All of them share a quite big chunk of code and we are extending the courtesy of the united domain to everyone. > (I know you're now switching from the neutrality issue to > the > administration part, but that once again is a different > issue. Here is > where trust also comes into play, but not any more than you > have to > trust the people who are subscribed to those lists) > > > Looking for > > an unrelated domain to handle our issues is like > giving your children > > to your neighbors so they educate them "impartially". > > For TDF, @apache.org or @openoffice.org would be > "unrelated", a different party. > Thats exactly the silly part. We are calling for unity and collaboration, TDF is calling for mistrust and division. Pedro.
