--- On Sat, 11/19/11, Rob Weir wrote: > > So you have his permission to use it. But does Apache > have his permission? And what about downstream > consumers? Although it is unlikely, we need to consider > the possibility that someone else takes > the BSD port and customizes it and then redistributes > it. Would they have permission to copy the logo? >
That's exactly the issue. I will put it this way: NetBSD and OpenBSD can obviously use it. If IBM or RedOffice wants to use it because they claim they support any BSD/unix, even through linux binaries, that's OK too. What is unacceptable is vandalizing the image like having "beastie" doing obscene things or violently killing a penguin. (Yes those images exist). The Apache logos are also copyrighted and I am sure similar abuses are not permitted. You cannot write books about indians and cowboys and put the ASF logo on it ... I think. > The license also says it can be used for "personal > use". I don't think that is compatible with the ALv2. > You need permission for other uses, just like the ASF logo. > > Can I go ahead and use this in Apache OO for the > > FreeBSD port only or should I ask legal@? > > > > I'm not sure we've discussed this before: What > exactly do you think the relationship of the > BSD port will be to the AOO project? Just like the relationship with Apache httpd or any other Apache project. We have people that work on both. > In particular, do you want to eventually have an official > Apache release of the BSD binaries, made available on > the Apache mirrors? Or were you thinking of building > and release the BSD port yourself, via > another website? > We have been shipping OpenOffice.org, built directly from the source provided by openoffice.org for a long time. I don't think SUN/Oracle ever considered shipping FreeBSD binaries, I have no idea if the Podling is considering releasing them but users probably prefer the pre-packaged releases the FreeBSD project makes anyways as these share dependencies from other packages and we do our own testing and QA. > If you release your own BSD port, based on the Apache > releases, then you have more flexibility to bundle > other software with it. Maybe something like "BSD > Office, powered by Apache OpenOffice"? > No, our port is plain OOo, we don't change the brand. The changes would be minimal: just add a small beastie in a corner. The existing OOo has a branding layer so I wanted to use it instead of reinventing the wheel. > If you want to have the BSD port released by Apache, then I > think you'll want to ask legal-discuss@ to review and classify > that license. > I don't have a license, I only have permission ;-). I guess I could use the 4 clause BSD license, which is permitted, but since that doesn't put a limit on possible abuses that Kirk may want to avoid, what I can do is include the modified logos only in the FreeBSD port/package by using: --with-intro-bitmaps=/path/my_ooo_intro.bmp --with-about-bitmaps=/path/my_ooo_about.bmp cheers, Pedro.
