On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 8:04 PM, Dave Fisher <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Mar 2, 2012, at 4:22 PM, Michael Bauer wrote: > >> 02/03/2012 23:41, sgrìobh Gavin McDonald: >>> See >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INFRA/translate+pootle+service+auth+levels >>> for more info on the privileges applied. >>> >>> You need not be logged in to submit translation suggestions. >>> Therefore, no need to be a committer to do so either. >>> >>> HTH >>> >>> Gav... >> Gavin, the nature of the best is that for small languages, you usually have >> a team of one. If I add "Suggestions" then there is no-one who will accept >> them or, if I get the right priviledges, I have to accept them at a later >> point myself. Or indeed, if someone suggests a junk translation, then how >> will a committer who is unfamiliar with the language going to know? >> >> I'd have to be at least a Project Admin level (looking at your table (by the >> way, should that be "higher perms" instead of "giving higger perms"?). Not >> because I want to commit but apart from the above reason, because I'm not >> doing anything unless I can make backups (sorry, but I *almost* got burnt >> very badly when OOO went down) and because I need to be able to overwrite >> some of the old stuff (I was in the middle of a major review of a lot of >> junk that ended up in the Gaelic translation). >> >> If that's not an option, then I have to seriously think about participation >> in AOO. > > Well I think that the PPMC needs to seriously think about how to handle very > small NL projects like Gaelic - Scottish. While yours is a specific case, it > does point out a general problem. > > How does AOO help smaller NL communities that do not already have committers > bootstrap productive translation of their language. How does the PPMC provide > proper oversight in considering someone's merit without work here at Apache? > This may be a case where we will need members of the PPMC to vouch for > someone's prior work. I don't want to abandon smaller languages. Perhaps we > need to have a test, perhaps help translating news for the website and/or > bootstrapping / restarting NL parts of the website. I would be willing to > help guide work on NL parts of www.openoffice.org. >
So we have what, 100 languages or more? And in each release we add or change a few dozen or a hundred strings? Suppose we did something along your lines, of having a way of measuring contribution, vetting the quality of the work, etc. Would it make sense to more than double the number of committers and PPMC members for this? Does it really make sense to have 200 PPMC members, more than half -- a deciding bloc in release and PMC Chair votes -- be translators? And do we really want to require 100+ ICLA's and deal with the likelihood that not everyone will sign? And then, once we've done al that, how can we as a PMC vote to approve the release of a translation that only 0.5% of us can verify? I wonder if we need another model entirely. For example, do translations as extensions and make it easier for translators to work at their own pace and release when they want. But the translations would not be Apache releases. They would be published via the Extensions repository. -Rob > What do you think? What does the PPMC think? What does the community think? > > Regards, > Dave > > > >> >> Michael >
