On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Dave Fisher <[email protected]> wrote: > I think AOO has a problem. I think that a bad upgrade experience is a > problem. I think that poor and uncivil treatment of members of the community > is also a problem. > > On Mar 5, 2012, at 5:11 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Dave Fisher <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> On Mar 5, 2012, at 2:38 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 5:15 PM, Larry Gusaas <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> On 2012-03-05 3:30 PM Rob Weir wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I'll put it to you quickly simple. If you have been paying attention >>>>>> you will realize that we're discussing release blocking issues. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I have been paying attention. Have you? >>>>> In the thread "Calling all volunteers: It is time to test" you wrote >>>>> >>>>> "We could use help verifying the install in all real-world scenarios, on >>>>> clean OS installs, >>>>> as upgrades to previous versions of OOo." and >>>>> "Please send a short note to the [email protected] telling us >>>>> what platform and >>>>> >>>>> scenario you installed (fresh install, upgrade, install next to >>>>> LibreOffice, etc.)." >>>>> >>>>> I did an install over OOo on my Mac and reported that it deleted the >>>>> extensions in my user profile. >>>>> >>>>> Dennis started this thread "[EXTENSIONS][RELEASE] (was RE: Calling all >>>>> volunteers: It is time to test)" to discuss if releases of AOO should >>>>> overwrite the OOo version, thus deleting all installed extensions. >>>>> >>>>> Does this not require discussion? >>>>> >>>> >>>> This has been known for several months and has been part of the 3.4 >>>> plan. We discussed it extensively in early December. Certainly if >>>> you have new information, new workarounds, new proposals, or even new >>>> code, then I'm new we all would love to know about it. But if you are >>>> just noticing this for the first time, you might want to check the >>>> list archives to catch up on the previous discussion first. Search >>>> for "berkeleydb". >>>> >>>> In any case your questions suggests a simple misunderstanding. The >>>> issue with the extensions in 3.4 is not that the 3.4 install is >>>> overwriting a profile or anything like that. It is not, as you say. >>>> that we are "deleting all installed extensions". The issue is that >>>> the extensions info in OOo 3.3 was stored locally in Berkeley Db >>>> database file. We had to remove berkeleydb because of its >>>> incompatible license. So the database file is there, but, even after >>>> an upgrade, but we're not able to read it. That is why the extensions >>>> need to be reinstalled. >>> >>> Rob, I think you are the one who has a "simple" misunderstanding. This >>> issue is being re-raised now. Are we sure that there is no way that >>> Berkeley DB can be used? >>> >> >> Actually, there are grve misunderstandings here, both procedural and >> technical., Some have taken the fact that the extensions need to be >> reinstalled and extrapolated that as evidence that the profiles are >> overwritten. >> >> The procedural error is to think that raising or "re-raising" an issue >> magically makes code happen. >> >>> Subversion seems to allow it - >>> http://subversion.apache.org/faq.html#divining-bdb-version >>> >>> Even if it can't be used should it be possible to hack the file to get the >>> strings? The data can't be too difficult to understand. >>> >> >> Patches are welcome. >> >>> While not a functional blocker I firmly believe that this is a significant >>> problem for AOO and this should be addressed constructively. >>> >> >> Patches are welcome. >> >>> Please don't give me a "where is the code" response. >>> >> >> Patches are welcome. > > I explicitly asked that you not give a "where's the code" repsonse, but you > are uncivil enough to instead use the passive aggressive "patches are > welcome" 3x. >
Dave, not be honest with me. If I demanded that you not bug me, complain about something, not mention something I did, or in general tried dictate what you can or cannot say, would you do it? If so, then please stop complaining about me. If not, then why would you expect I am going to listen to you as you try to dictate what I say or don't say? -Rob > If you cannot be constructive then please - you don't have to respond. Please > stop damaging our good work with these type of threads. > > Best REgards, > Dave > > > >> >> -Rob >> >>> Best Regards, >>> Dave >>> >>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Those >>>>>> are the only changes we're making right now. Release blocking issues >>>>>> are issues in BZ that have the 3.4 release blocking issue flag set. >>>>>> You are welcome to add such an issue if you think one is lacking. You >>>>>> can suggest things until you turn blue in the face and it will not >>>>>> accomplish as much as the simple act of entering an issue once in BZ. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Is this not an issue for discussion? Having AOO overwrite, or not >>>>> overwrite, >>>>> OOo is a policy decision that needs discussion. Or, as the grand poobah, >>>>> are >>>>> you saying it doesn't? Where has this decision been made? >>>>> >>>> >>>> This was decided last December when we discussed how to deal with the >>>> removal of berkeleydb. I think we're all open to better ideas and >>>> better proposals if you have them. But please also have some respect >>>> for those who looked into this issue in detail previously. >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> But I remind you that the fact that extensions will need to be >>>>>> reinstalled in 3.4 is something that has been well-known in this >>>>>> project for nearly 6 months now. But no one has cared to do anything >>>>>> about it. And no one has raised it as release blocking issue, not >>>>>> even as of today. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And now the decision has to be made about how to deal with the problem. >>>>> Overwriting OOo and eliminating the extensions will create a huge howl >>>>> from >>>>> tons of users and create unnecessary extra work for the people providing >>>>> user support. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Again, I recommend you learn the facts, read the list archives, and >>>> then if at that time you have additional insights, I'm sure we'd all >>>> love to hear them. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> -Rob >>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> _________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> Larry I. Gusaas >>>>> Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada >>>>> Website: http://larry-gusaas.com >>>>> "An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind >>>>> theirs." - Edgard Varese >>>>> >>>>> >>> >
