Again, Infra manages the mail servers and the list servers, so posting
all these details to ooo-users and ooo-dev doesn't really get you
closer to a resolution.  I'd recommend a note to Infra on their list,
or a JIRA issue.

-Rob

On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
<[email protected]> wrote:
> The bounce messages are identified as being From:
>    "Mail Delivery Subsystem" <[email protected]>
>
> Also, beside the original message (the one claimed to be bounced), there is 
> the following additional text attachments in the one I received:
>
>    Reporting-MTA: dns; mx1.incubator.apache.org
>    Received-From-MTA: DNS; [68.1.16.123]
>    Arrival-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 21:46:34 -0700
>
>    Final-Recipient: RFC822; [email protected]
>    X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; [email protected]
>    Action: failed
>    Status: 5.1.1
>    Last-Attempt-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 21:46:34 -0700
>
> 68.1.16.123 is eastrmimpi05.cox.net
>
> I forgot that those little goodies might have interesting information in them.
>
> Thank you for your helpfulness, Rob.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob Weir [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 10:36
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [LIST MAIL] False Bounces from ooo-users
>
> To paraphrase.  Some users are getting bounce errors.  You don't know
> why.  But it is not coming from us.
>
> The PPMC has zero control of this.  If you think Infra needs to be
> involved, they have a list for that, and JIRA.
>
> -Rob
>
> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Posters to ooo-users@ i.a.o are receiving false bounce notices.  Their posts 
>> are actually appearing on the list.  However, bounce notices are being 
>> received.  Users should ignore these bounce notices. They can confirm that 
>> their message has actually been received by inspecting the list archives.
>>
>> NOTE: If posters are reading the list via a secondary service, and their 
>> posts are not being shown there, that is likely where the bounce is actually 
>> from.  This message could be an indication that ooo-users@ i.a.o is not a 
>> recognized list somewhere.
>>
>>  - Dennis
>>
>> ANALYSIS FOR OOO-DEV ANALYSIS AND INFRASTRUCTURE TROUBLESHOOTING:
>>
>> These bounce notices have simple text and include the bounced message as an 
>> attachment.
>>
>> I have been receiving these in my Spam folder and I finally noticed.  (Most 
>> of my received bounce messages *are* spam or the result of some spammer 
>> misusing my e-mail addresss so I rarely look at them, especially if any of 
>> my messages have been reaching the lists I am subscribed to.)
>>
>> I have provided the full headers of one of the bounce messages back to me.  
>> This attachment was my message of Thursday night (-0700) with subject 
>> "Implications for security vulnerability (CVE-2012-0037).  It can be seen 
>> successfully posted to the list at
>>
>> <http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-users/201203.mbox/%[email protected]%3e>
>>
>> (I see a discrepancy in the time-stamps also.  The list shows date 
>> 2012-03-23T04:46:07Z, My copy from the list is dated as sent on 
>> 2012-03-22T21:46-0700 (agreeing with 2012-03-23T04:46Z), yet  cox.net 
>> received the bounce notice from Lanny PC (!?) at 2012-03-23-02:28:25-0400, 
>> corresponding to 2012-03-23T06:28:25Z).  This, and the nature of the 
>> message, has me suspect that these peculiar bounce messages are 
>> post-list-arrival and from a downstream special-protocol recipient.
>>
>>  - - - - - - - These are the headers on the bounce message I received - - - 
>> - -
>>
>> Return-path: 
>> <SRS0+6f165d3367e37ed5=B6=incubator.apache.org=mailer-dae...@srs.acm.org>
>> [ .... ] Final path irrelevant
>> Received: from psmtp.com ([74.125.149.93])
>>        by acm26-4.acm.org (ACM Email Forwarding Service) with SMTP id 
>> HJA88133
>>        for <[email protected]>; Fri, 23 Mar 2012 02:29:33 -0400
>> Received: from fed1rmfepo203.cox.net ([68.230.241.148]) by 
>> na3sys009amx167.postini.com ([74.125.148.10]) with SMTP;
>>        Fri, 23 Mar 2012 06:29:32 GMT
>> Received: from fed1rmimpo306.cox.net ([68.230.241.174])
>>          by fed1rmfepo203.cox.net
>>          (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP
>>          id 
>> <20120323062932.xryi24333.fed1rmfepo203.cox....@fed1rmimpo306.cox.net>
>>          for <[email protected]>; Fri, 23 Mar 2012 02:29:32 -0400
>> Received: from Lanny-PC ([70.170.110.212])
>>        by fed1rmimpo306.cox.net with bizsmtp
>>        id ouUP1i0034b06CN03uUQtt; Fri, 23 Mar 2012 02:28:25 -0400
>> X-CT-Class: Clean
>> X-CT-Score: 0.00
>> X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020201.4F6C184B.00A8,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=256
>> X-CT-Spam: 0
>> X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=/z6nVqgKJubJSJFLDUxhpnTtIgTQeP8W3J+4y8l5h/4=
>>  c=1 sm=1 a=SJIS0OigG-AA:10 a=jksSu5QgSbTtBvHH52dhDQ==:17 a=mV9VRH-2AAAA:8
>>  a=knQjgZu5OroMix5nMfYA:9 a=YCs5jFZFAnHFUSHzdFsA:9 a=_4BPYxVLAAAA:8
>>  a=-hyCGDrDAAAA:8 a=B6ByjeiWjoBosR4FfqUA:9 a=DpDQOH3bnqWrVRIQN1UA:7
>>  a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=93i8w3xbaaYA:10 a=Er2gK3W4G3kA:10
>>  a=jksSu5QgSbTtBvHH52dhDQ==:117
>> X-CM-Score: 0.00
>> Authentication-Results: cox.net; none
>> From: "Mail Delivery Subsystem" <[email protected]>
>> To: Dennis E. Hamilton <[email protected]>
>> Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
>> Auto-submitted: auto-generated (failure)
>> MIME-Version: 1.0
>> Content-type: multipart/report;
>>         report-type=delivery-status;
>>        boundary="XGC23002.1275609600/mx1.incubator.apache.org"
>> Message-ID: <CHILKAT-MID-5664642a-6e2d-e0ab-cf8d-c488c2f0a436@Lanny-PC>
>> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 02:29:32 -0400
>> X-pstn-neptune: 0/0/0.00/0
>> X-pstn-levels:     (S:66.88766/99.90000 CV:99.9000 FC:95.5390 LC:95.5390 
>> R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:97.0282 C:98.6951 )
>> X-pstn-dkim: 0 skipped:not-enabled
>> X-pstn-settings: 3 (1.0000:1.0000) s cv gt3 gt2 gt1
>> X-pstn-addresses: from <[email protected]> [271/12]
>> The original message was received at Thu, 22 Mar 2012 21:46:34 -0700
>> from [68.1.16.123]
>>
>>  - - - - - - - The Bounce Message I received - - - - - - - -
>>
>>   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
>> [email protected]
>>    (expanded from: [email protected])
>>
>>   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
>> mail.local: unknown name: ooo-users
>> 550 [email protected]... User unknown
>>
>
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